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Zed Duke of Banville

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"Brutal AI"

The AI in Thief was a joke.

I've said this before, but obviously it bears repeating: The AI in Thief (1998) was really good for its time, but that was 20 years ago. People have both had time to study how the Thief AI works, and make better AI since then... though I'll admit I'm still waiting on the latter part, especially when one considers how much time has passed.
Even the creators of Thief admit the AI is bad!


At 19:20 He says that AI in stealth games has to be stupid because it's not there to stop you from doing your thing but is simply there to create an interesting obstacle for the player.
 
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HansDampf

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Even the creators of Thief admit the AI is bad!


At 19:20 He says that AI in stealth games has to be stupid because it's not there to stop you from doing your thing but is simply there to create an interesting obstacle for the player.

Then it's not really bad, is it?
 

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Compared to what ?

Thief AI at least follow patrol shedule, can listen and see and in case of something going on they investigate around. On higher def once they found something they will be alert all the time and go around looking for you constantly. If they spot you they would call other guards and if you would hurt them they would run away calling for help. It is not perfect but it is great for what it does and age it was written.

Only similar AI on such level exist in MGS4 on higher difficulty. Main competitors to Thief like sprinter cell or hitman have even dumber AI. Even MGS5 AI was worse compared to MGS4.

MGS4 AI was great but you had to play on highest def for it to work correctly like it should. They would even fucking smell you out if you were hiding in dumpster before. IF they would search you they would be opening dumpsters, boxes, go one after another like pros with whole team securing view from all sides so you couldn't just switch quickly position like in MGS5.
 

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Compared to what ?

Thief AI at least follow patrol shedule, can listen and see and in case of something going on they investigate around. On higher def once they found something they will be alert all the time and go around looking for you constantly. If they spot you they would call other guards and if you would hurt them they would run away calling for help. It is not perfect but it is great for what it does and age it was written.

Only similar AI on such level exist in MGS4 on higher difficulty. Main competitors to Thief like sprinter cell or hitman have even dumber AI. Even MGS5 AI was worse compared to MGS4.

MGS4 AI was great but you had to play on highest def for it to work correctly like it should. They would even fucking smell you out if you were hiding in dumpster before. IF they would search you they would be opening dumpsters, boxes, go one after another like pros with whole team securing view from all sides so you couldn't just switch quickly position like in MGS5.
The guards can listen and see and patrol the area searching for the player and they still can't detect Garrett hiding at a moderately dark corner in front of them.
 
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But Garrett can hide in shadows and is invisible in them because of Keeper’s training. Completely plausible. Easier to suspense your disbelief than let’s say secret agent with 3 glowing lights on his head. You are visible in Thief when wielding Fire arrow. What is this argument even about? I like when AI reacts to more stimuli, that is what makes it fun. Hitman and Death to Spies went for “social” stealth, Chaos Theory AI reacts to your reflection in mirrors (although being only in Kokubo Sosho AFAIK), Dark Mod’s AI reacts to sounds of bodies hitting floor or your rope arrows, Thief 3 AI comments on specific objects they saw you at. All that is cool, reactivity is cool and fun.
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is. Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
You'd think that Nintendo would release one of their biggest first-party games on their own system, and have it optimized and then some.
 
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