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Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Atchodas

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CDPR just wrote Witcher fan fiction they didnt have to invent the setting or characters from scratch
 

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CDPR just wrote Witcher fan fiction they didnt have to invent the setting or characters from scratch

There is no "fanfiction", the games are a separated universe from the novels. Some characters even completly different backgrounds and personalities, they just take a few core elements like any adaptation. Is the same for these games based on D&D, the setting is already made, but the story itself need mastery to work.
 

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Reading all this stupid talk about BG3 being like twitcher or Dragon Age I remembered this Larian interview about BG3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju12JNh8gJs
at around 8 minute mark they talk about what engine they gonna be using for BG3 and Swen basically says its gonna be next step of their D:OS engine, he says that D:OS was 2.0 of their engine then D:OS2 was 3.0 , Definitive Edition 3.5 and BG3 will be next step (and most likely we will get definitive edition of BG3 some time after release same as D;OS games). This only makes sense considering WoTC were holding off giving rights to BG3 until they saw what Swen and Larian can really accomplish with D:OS2, its safe to assume they gonna continue with their recipe for success.
 
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Well since you get 99% of your stats while levelling up in D:OS2 technically everything scales with your level there.

Edit : I dont think he meant enemy level scaling or did he :?
 
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Biting sarcasm aside, D:OS engine was pretty good, it's just that the dialogue, plot, storylines, lore, and quests were all so retarded as to take all the fun and immersion out of the games.

If Larian could somehow avoid their retarded attempts at humor, and hire decent writers, and stick to Baldur's Gate-like writing, I guess the game could be good. But that's a lot of ifs, and it's oh so much easier for Swen to design another cat co-op game for his gf.
 

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Did you see the BG3 trailer? The theme looks dark and bloody. I think they got it covered with the no nonsense part.
 

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Its mentioned plenty of times that they are "working closely and cooperating" with WoTC for this game so no chance WotC allows them to butcher BG for mass production and turn it into "another cat co-op game for his gf" btw cat co-op game for GF's turned out to be one out of very few good new cRPGS released in last decade.
 

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no chance WotC allows them to butcher BG for mass production.

WoTC are full SJW now though.
And I thought Jeremy Crawford was seemingly one of the big forces behind that, considering Xanathar's Guide and his Twitter shenanigans, yet I noticed in Acquisitions Incorporated as GM that it seems absent from his personality.

Predominantly pressure from Hasbro or what?
 

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Are they going to release any gameplay info this year? I must confess that after D:OS2 I'm rather hyped for Larian because that game surpassed my expectations by a really wide margin. Everything that I found irritating or boring about D:OS1 was properly fixed or redesigned in the sequel.

A D&D game will have different combat mechanics, of course, which is why I'm dying of curiosity. To me right now Larian are the new kings of CRPG.
 
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WoTC are full SJW now though.

How is the situation with Paizo?

I must confess that after D:OS2 I'm rather hyped for Larian because that game surpassed my expectations by a really wide margin. Everything that I found irritating or boring about D:OS1 was properly fixed or redesigned in the sequel.

A D&D game will have different combat mechanics, of course, which is why I'm dying of curiosity. To me right now Larian are the new kings of CRPG.

I hated DOS2. Everything that i hate about modern RPG philosophies, limit you to one minion, cooldown, archers limited to 13m, mmo like itemization, etc exists on DOS2...
 

hexer

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Its mentioned plenty of times that they are "working closely and cooperating" with WoTC for this game so no chance WotC allows them to butcher BG for mass production and turn it into "another cat co-op game for his gf" btw cat co-op game for GF's turned out to be one out of very few good new cRPGS released in last decade.
It will have integrated co-op from the start and something else I guess - support for gamepad controllers.

Baldur’s Gate 3 will have co-op multiplayer
https://www.pcgamesn.com/baldurs-gate-3-co-op
 

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limit you to one minion
One per character (nothing stops you from playing a party of four summoners). In D:OS2 fully buffed minions are very strong. You seem to imply that controlling a swarm of weaklings would be more interesting. How exactly?

"Cooldowns are bad" is just a dogma. People say that but they can never explain why cd/s are so bad. In D:OS2 many cd/s are long enough to make abilities effectively once per encounter. How is this system so different from any other form of resource management?

archers limited to 13m
In most fights you can easily increase range by jumping to high ground. We could have a round of the old "what's better - 13m limit or hit-and-run abuse of sniping?" debate here, of course. But let's just accept that all VG combat systems are imperfect in some way.

mmo like itemization
It's really a matter of taste. I can see how people who dislike such itemization won't like D:OS (and a lot of other games). I don't mind it. Although one of the few bad things I could say about D:OS2 is that many unique items are lackluster and not really unique. That could've been handled better.
 

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One per character (nothing stops you from playing a party of four summoners). In D:OS2 fully buffed minions are very strong. You seem to imply that controlling a swarm of weaklings would be more interesting. How exactly?

This doesn't look like "weakelings", in fact a Thanadaemon looks far stronger than any dos2 summon

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"Cooldowns are bad" is just a dogma. People say that but they can never explain why cd/s are so bad. In D:OS2 many cd/s are long enough to make abilities effectively once per encounter. How is this system so different from any other form of resource management?

I will make a analogy with a molotov

"i ran out of molotovs on my backpack' is a good reason to not be able to use molotovs
"i have infinite molotovs but acn only use one each X seconds" makes no sense.

Cooldowns started with wow and are the WORST and most boring mechanic.

In most fights you can easily increase range by jumping to high ground. We could have a round of the old "what's better - 13m limit or hit-and-run abuse of sniping?" debate here, of course. But let's just accept that all VG combat systems are imperfect in some way.


Enemies can snipe you too. Did you played dark souls? Anor Londo archers are one of the most infamous enemies...
 

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Its mentioned plenty of times that they are "working closely and cooperating" with WoTC for this game so no chance WotC allows them to butcher BG for mass production and turn it into "another cat co-op game for his gf" btw cat co-op game for GF's turned out to be one out of very few good new cRPGS released in last decade.
WotC allowed Sword Coast Legends to happen...
 

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"Cooldowns are bad" is just a dogma. People say that but they can never explain why cd/s are so bad. In D:OS2 many cd/s are long enough to make abilities effectively once per encounter. How is this system so different from any other form of resource management?
Not only do they not make sense, they encourage an MMO-like "rotation" where you have a most efficient way to use abilities one after the other and you have to constantly juggle a bunch of cooldowns. Make casting times instead. 3-turn CD = 3-turn casting time. That also forces you to think about positioning, whether an enemy can interrupt you, there's an opportunity cost involved (you can cast 3 other less powerful spells in that time for example), more powerful abilities actually make sense and can be balanced now, etc.
 

Atchodas

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You are implying that channelling a spell for 3 turns is better than 3 turn cool down? Are you fucking insane ?
 

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