Decline Can we please stop calling RPGs without gameplay Adventures?

[Catacombs]

I've been playing this awesome adventure game:

I couldn't resist:

Solution

There is always that guy to commit sudoku, I guess.

I love those puzzles.

 

[Valky]

Very telling that even adventure game people don't want to be associated with Disco Elisoyum

 

[Lutte]

Besides categories like adventure or RPG, there's just the fact that as a whole, we often call "video games" things that aren't "video games", ie, activities that normally, if not in a computer/console format, would not be called a "game" in real life. Selecting dialogue trees occasionally is no more gaming than reading a CYOA book is. Solving a physical puzzle is a form of gaming. The Rubix cube is a physical game. Reading a book isn't a game. But why is reading a book suddenly a game when it's on a computer with no interactive element other than picking a sentence?

Video games, like the name imply, are simply the electronic form of gaming. Gaming existed before video games and will exist long after the end of civilization. Gaming is an activity that requires active paricipants, not passive mouth breathers.

Sitting on a couch and watching cutscenes is like sitting on a couch and watching a movie. It's not gaming. There's nothing you're 'playing'.

 

[Valky]

Besides categories like adventure or RPG, there's just the fact that as a whole, we often call "video games" things that aren't "video games", ie, activities that normally, if not in a computer/console format, would not be called a "game" in real life. Selecting dialogue trees occasionally is no more gaming than reading a CYOA book is. Solving a physical puzzle is a form of gaming. The Rubix cube is a physical game. Reading a book isn't a game. But why is reading a book suddenly a game when it's on a computer with no interactive element other than picking a sentence?

Video games, like the name imply, are simply the electronic form of gaming. Gaming existed before video games and will exist long after the end of civilization. Gaming is an activity that requires active paricipants, not passive mouth breathers.

Is navigating a Blu-Ray play menu to select the part of the story you want to view next a form of gameplay? This is what the modern trend of story games amounts to.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Catacombs]

I've been playing this awesome adventure game:

I couldn't resist:

Solution

There is always that guy to commit sudoku, I guess.

I love those puzzles.

now i know your weakness

More please.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Viata]

More please.

Enjoy:

 

[Valky]

Sudoku plebs, step aside.

 

[Catacombs]

More please.

 

[Valky]

I bet you casuals haven't even tried toroidal sudoku.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Unfortunately, many Codexers aren't familiar with Choose Your Own Adventure books and confuse CYOA-style computer games with the adventure game genre that originated with Colossal Cave Adventure and Zork. Disco Elysium isn't any more of an adventure game than it is an RPG.

 

[Valky]

Unfortunately, many Codexers aren't familiar with Choose Your Own Adventure books and confuse CYOA-style computer games with the adventure game genre that originated with Colossal Cave Adventure and Zork. Disco Elysium isn't any more of an adventure game than it is an RPG.

I had Steve Jackson's Sorcery when I was young. Disco Elysium is basically a digital version of that.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Darth Canoli]

Steaming piles of shit?

Did you submit the new tag to steam ?

It's going to be a popular genre.

 

[jerfdr]

Can we please stop calling RPGs without (or with little/unimportant) combat "RPGs with no gameplay"?

 

[Valky]

+rng

Sorcery had RNG in the sense that you would randomly flip through the book and look at the image of dice at the top of the page you landed on to determine rolls.

 

[V_K]

Can we please stop calling RPGs without (or with little/unimportant) combat "RPGs with no gameplay"?

The Council has no combat, but it has gameplay in the form of puzzles and resource management. Titan Outpost has no combat but it has gameplay in the form of survival, simulation and (much more detailed) resource management. But when all you do in a game is pick one out of four dialog options - that's no gameplay.

 

[jerfdr]

But when all you do in a game is pick one out of four dialog options

That's a really retarded way of describing the gameplay of games like PS:T or Disco.

 

[Valky]

But when all you do in a game is pick one out of four dialog options

That's a really retarded way of describing the gameplay of games like PS:T or Disco.

Navigating a play menu to choose a movie chapter to watch is not gameplay.

 

[V_K]

But when all you do in a game is pick one out of four dialog options

That's a really retarded way of describing the gameplay of games like PS:T or Disco.

What's the non-retarded way then? Picking from five dialog options?

 

[Alphard]

I would stop calling rpg every outadeted ugly boring team isometric games codexers like. You aren't roleplaying anyone, since you control a team. Either you have a multiple personality disorder and different sides of you roleplay a char, or roleplay some sort of puppeter controlling them all.
Just call these luckily niche ( and for a good reason) things isometric adventure games

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Darth Canoli]

I had Steve Jackson's Sorcery when I was young.

I played that series to death, even wrote my own CYOA book based on it (i was a teenager so no, it's not that good)

Disco Elysium is basically a digital version of that.

You know combat was a big part of it, right ?
Good combat even.

 

[Valky]

I had Steve Jackson's Sorcery when I was young.

I played that series to death, even wrote my own CYOA book based on it (i was a teenager so no, it's not that good)

Disco Elysium is basically a digital version of that.

You know combat was a big part of it, right ?
Good combat even.

You're right.