Putting the 'role' back in role-playing games since 2002.
Donate to Codex
Good Old Games
  • Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.

Guild Wars 1

Darth Roxor

Royal Dongsmith
Staff Member
Joined
May 29, 2008
Messages
1,878,463
Location
Djibouti
lol, I go into RA, get repeatedly matched with the same tardo rager who keeps declaring me a leecher for whatever reasons, suddenly I become dishonoraburu and get blocked from PVP

:neveraskedforthis:

so this is what it has come to
 

Darth Roxor

Royal Dongsmith
Staff Member
Joined
May 29, 2008
Messages
1,878,463
Location
Djibouti
went into a few rounds of fort aspenwood with Hoaxmetal and nigger

FA used to be my least favourite pvp mode i think, but beggars can't be choosers

now the shakes have returned

the guild wars shakes

and the pain that follows

goddamn :neveraskedforthis:
 
Self-Ejected

Alphard

Self-Ejected
Joined
Jul 18, 2019
Messages
1,487
Location
Draghistan ( former Italy)
just bought my first elite armor piece ( ancient chest for my ranger) and burned all my money. what do you think is the best looking ranger armor?
also why almost all mesmer armors look like dogshit?
 

biggestboss

Liturgist
Joined
Feb 16, 2017
Messages
528
SerratedBiz [citation needed]

Ranger_Elite_Druid_armor_f.jpg
 

Darth Roxor

Royal Dongsmith
Staff Member
Joined
May 29, 2008
Messages
1,878,463
Location
Djibouti
RA does, TA was changed into something called 'codex arena' very long ago (before gw1 was abandoned) that has a daily rotation of permissible skills. Needless to say, it was dead on arrival, and the tards at anet never rolled it back or tried to improve it in any way because they are cretins.
 
Joined
Dec 24, 2018
Messages
1,783
GW1 was some top tier shit. I can't think of another action / MMO / RPG game where the combat revolves around working your way through an enemy's defenses rather than being principally focused on just killing the enemy faster (it is present in some RTS games, though, in a different form, and in some tabletop games like MtG or various tile games). What I mean by this is that in a typical action / RPG game the combat is about killing the enemy faster than he kills you. Things like debilitating conditions or resource depletion are generally a waste because you're better off just killing the enemy faster. In Guild Wars, the defensive capabilities are so powerful that just going for straight up "kill faster" doesn't work (not to say there aren't pressure oriented team builds, or concepts like spiking, but these rely on more than just raw damage); if you just try to attack an enemy then their team's Monk is going to be able to counter your attacks without much issue; in a straight conflict of "how much damage can I deal nuking this guy" vs "how much damage can an average prot / hybrid monk counter" you'll never win.

Accordingly we have tools like interrupts, hexes that slow casting speed or disable specific skills, conditions that can be used to divert a Monk's attention or overwhelm their resources, energy loss (since energy is actually very powerful and losing it is a big deal, if an enemy stalls out on energy that's a huge advantage for you), enchantment removal, etc - and some of these are also defensive tools in turn, like inflicting Blindness to reduce an enemy Warrior's offensive capability, or using interrupts to shut down an enemy Elementalist's nukes. In turn there are some defensive measures that counter their own counters, like the concept of a cover enchantment to counteract removal, or Holy Veil to drop a hex that would otherwise have prohibitive consequences when trying to remove it (or to prevent a cover hex from working). There are offensive concepts like the spike (massive concentrated damage aimed at killing a target so quickly that the enemy can't get defenses or healing on him in time) and tools to counter that, like the Infuse skill or the human ability to notice that several enemy casters are facing one particular party member while doing a casting animation and drop Spirit Bond on him, expecting a large and abrupt amount of damage.

So in Guild Wars, at least for PvP, the game is more about outmaneuvering the enemy's defenses or forcing them into a condition of low resources (energy loss, too many skills recharging or players taken out of commission by amount of hexes, loss of health and energy to death penalty, used up their hard resses, etc) that gives you enough of an advantage that you can actually kill members of their party consistently, rather than just trying to deal more damage than the enemy.

This overall pattern of gameplay is, in my opinion, what made Guild Wars so great and involved, and I've never played another action or RPG type game that had this same kind of focus.
 

Riel

Arcane
Joined
Apr 29, 2012
Messages
1,371
Location
Itaca
GW1 was some top tier shit. I can't think of another action / MMO / RPG game where the combat revolves around working your way through an enemy's defenses rather than being principally focused on just killing the enemy faster (it is present in some RTS games, though, in a different form, and in some tabletop games like MtG or various tile games). What I mean by this is that in a typical action / RPG game the combat is about killing the enemy faster than he kills you. Things like debilitating conditions or resource depletion are generally a waste because you're better off just killing the enemy faster. In Guild Wars, the defensive capabilities are so powerful that just going for straight up "kill faster" doesn't work (not to say there aren't pressure oriented team builds, or concepts like spiking, but these rely on more than just raw damage); if you just try to attack an enemy then their team's Monk is going to be able to counter your attacks without much issue; in a straight conflict of "how much damage can I deal nuking this guy" vs "how much damage can an average prot / hybrid monk counter" you'll never win.

Accordingly we have tools like interrupts, hexes that slow casting speed or disable specific skills, conditions that can be used to divert a Monk's attention or overwhelm their resources, energy loss (since energy is actually very powerful and losing it is a big deal, if an enemy stalls out on energy that's a huge advantage for you), enchantment removal, etc - and some of these are also defensive tools in turn, like inflicting Blindness to reduce an enemy Warrior's offensive capability, or using interrupts to shut down an enemy Elementalist's nukes. In turn there are some defensive measures that counter their own counters, like the concept of a cover enchantment to counteract removal, or Holy Veil to drop a hex that would otherwise have prohibitive consequences when trying to remove it (or to prevent a cover hex from working). There are offensive concepts like the spike (massive concentrated damage aimed at killing a target so quickly that the enemy can't get defenses or healing on him in time) and tools to counter that, like the Infuse skill or the human ability to notice that several enemy casters are facing one particular party member while doing a casting animation and drop Spirit Bond on him, expecting a large and abrupt amount of damage.

So in Guild Wars, at least for PvP, the game is more about outmaneuvering the enemy's defenses or forcing them into a condition of low resources (energy loss, too many skills recharging or players taken out of commission by amount of hexes, loss of health and energy to death penalty, used up their hard resses, etc) that gives you enough of an advantage that you can actually kill members of their party consistently, rather than just trying to deal more damage than the enemy.

This overall pattern of gameplay is, in my opinion, what made Guild Wars so great and involved, and I've never played another action or RPG type game that had this same kind of focus.
What about GW2, that must be great too?? Right??

:flamesaw:
 

Riel

Arcane
Joined
Apr 29, 2012
Messages
1,371
Location
Itaca
I think it was all of the following:

Removal of monk
Removal of hexes
Removal of skill set customization
Nerfing of elite skills
Huge reduction in skill variety

All of that in exchange of a reflex based dodge mechanic.... seriously what could go wrong... lol.
 

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.
Back
Top Bottom