Do RPGs have value outside of fun?

[rusty_shackleford]

You old fucks keep realizing you've got more time behind you than in front and now we get all these "man, maybe I've wasted my life playing video games" threads. 80% of your life would have been wasted either way, you just chose video games over other pointless shit.

This post is a lie, I don't plan on dying.

Some of us have other plans (for you)

Disneyland?

 

[Grauken]

You old fucks keep realizing you've got more time behind you than in front and now we get all these "man, maybe I've wasted my life playing video games" threads. 80% of your life would have been wasted either way, you just chose video games over other pointless shit.

This post is a lie, I don't plan on dying.

Some of us have other plans (for you)

Disneyland?

It's the mindkiller

 

[Darth Canoli]

Yeah, I could have been sitting in front of the TV watching while "we" play against the other foreign football team.

I guess you're talking about soccer (because of foreign team, american football is an inbred thing), while i agree, soccer is for the retarded masses, there's plenty of fun games to play and watch from Rugby to Ultimate Frisbee.

 

[Kev Inkline]

RPGs gave us RPGCodex.

 

[TrueNeutralPaladin]

Some of us have other plans (for you)

Disneyland?

It's the mindkiller

Do not die.

 

[JarlFrank]

RPGs are art and all art is inherently valuable.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

RPGs are art and all art is inherently valuable.

I wouldn't go that far, but I tend to agree.

 

[AwesomeButton]

You old fucks keep realizing you've got more time behind you than in front and now we get all these "man, maybe I've wasted my life playing video games" threads. 80% of your life would have been wasted either way, you just chose video games over other pointless shit.

Bullshit. Watch me when I hit pension age and go on to write the best fantasy ficton novels since Tolkien.

 

[Catacombs]

Stopping the spread of COVID-19 to nerds by keeping them quarantined in their rooms?

We've been training for this our whole lives. I pity the normies getting cabin fever.

 

[RNGsus]

if a book contains value outside of entertainment then an RPG obviously does, since most of the RPGs that codex loves are just bad books.

Most books have no value at all.

 

[deuxhero]

The codex in Expeditions: Conquistador and Kingdom Come are gateways to actual history.

 

[NJClaw]

The codex in Expeditions: Conquistador and Kingdom Come are gateways to actual history.

You can learn something about history even through Assassin's Creed, which apparently is an rpg now

 

[Butter]

if a book contains value outside of entertainment then an RPG obviously does, since most of the RPGs that codex loves are just bad books.

Most books have no value at all.

You can at least burn books for heat. What am I supposed to do with my copy of Numenera?

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

I fundamentally disagree with an idea that art should have value other than itself.

There is nothing more selfdestructive than a neoliberal obsession with productiveness. Work, work, work to make your millionaire of choice richer and then die. By seeking benefits to gaming you are falling into the trap made by people for whom you are nothing more than a resource. Play a game, read a book, watch a movie and forget about that nagging feeling in your head that you are wasting time because this feeling was put into your head by people who want to control your life.

 

[Darkzone]

RPGs are art and all art is inherently valuable.

Yes but half of the time the value is in the negative numbers and the Zero has also a value. Art is derived from the latin word artem which means skill, craft or power. Artem is accusative singular of ars which means Skill or Sciences or something that is skillfull made. Exercitatio artem parat. ( Practice makes the Art (master).) Therefore the word art should be only used in connection to something that requires quite the skill to make. Everything that is made in our world is made by a human (i exclude here Animals and AI), but the degree of skills is quite variable.
Then we can apply numeric values to the required skill to accomplish a task, where Zero would be the average, while any skillful execution or more than average kognitive kapacities is in the positiv numbers, the work of the left hand or stupidity would have then negative values.
Therefore one can state that modern art is a decrement to the world and mankind.

I fundamentally disagree with an idea that art should have value other than itself.
There is nothing more selfdestructive than a neoliberal obsession with productiveness. Work, work, work to make your millionaire of choice richer and then die. By seeking benefits to gaming you are falling into the trap made by people for whom you are nothing more than a resource. Play a game, read a book, watch a movie and forget about that nagging feeling in your head that you are wasting time because this feeling was put into your head by people who want to control your life.

Radek like JarlFrank you have potential, but you need more information. 20-80 formula is a thing. In case of the productivity, it is that 20% of humans make 80% of worlds production. Now think what does that mean and also it is the true reason why communism does not work.
Also learn Aristotle's view on storytelling and heroes, because it will enrich you.

 

[Darth Canoli]

Radek like JarlFrank you have potential, but you need more information. 20-80 formula is a thing. In case of the productivity, it is that 20% of humans make 80% of worlds production. Now think what does that mean and also it is the true reason why communism does not work.
Also learn Aristotle's view on storytelling and heroes, because it will enrich you.

I'm not a communist and i live in a country which was never communist.
Communism never worked, doesn't mean it'll never work, it was only applied by dictators, capitalist dictatorship doesn't work either.

Capitalism, even mildly "democratic", doesn't work either because we're using natural resources faster than it can regenerate while polluting as well in so many ways it'd take me days to list it all.
But it's not the only reason capitalism doesn't work, in a capitalism economy, the only way to get rich is to cheat, find a loophole and to benefit from other peoples work.
If it wasn't enough, the ones benefiting from the system (see previous sentence) never have enough and have to squeeze their employees as much as they can, competing with each other wanting to accumulate more useless numbers on their accounts than the next guy.
The results are numerous but maintly strikes, riots and revolutions.

There are many solutions but none applicable as long as we're linked and directed by the market.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

Yes but half of the time the value is in the negative numbers and the Zero has also a value. Art is derived from the latin word artem which means skill, craft or power. Artem is accusative singular of ars which means Skill or Sciences or something that is skillfull made. Exercitatio artem parat. ( Practice makes the Art (master).) Therefore the word art should be only used in connection to something that requires quite the skill to make. Everything that is made in our world is made by a human (i exclude here Animals and AI), but the degree of skills is quite variable.
Then we can apply numeric values to the required skill to accomplish a task, where Zero would be the average, while any skillful execution or more than average kognitive kapacities is in the positiv numbers, the work of the left hand or stupidity would have then negative values.
Therefore can state that modern art is a decrement to the world and mankind.

This is a nice example of a brain rot the aforementioned obsession with productivity creates. (with all your respect). If you were correct then good artist would always create good art. Proofing one skill by creating a good art once would mean that person should be able to always create art with the same quality or better in the future. This is self evidently absurd. Furthermore they are also many things that require skills like sports or doing surgery which aren't art. Another unfortunate implication of your assumptions is that more skilled artist would always create a better art than less skilled one, which is also wrong, there is a lot of amateur artist who pours heart in their art and manage to create something better than artist which are more skilled.

The only way you can defend your nonsense is by using a mix of circular logic and non sequitur: a person created better art, so they have more skills, therefore art is all about skills.

You created this incoherent mess only to rationalize your disdain for the modern art. I don't need this construction to just say that modern art isn't to my taste. The same way I don't need to find some hidden productivity value of RPG to say that I love them and that's enough for me.

In case of the productivity, it is that 20% of humans make 80% of worlds production

That's why richest dozen or so people own as much as half of the word population? Truly they have to move faster than light to archive such level of productivity, they need to consult NASA RIGHT NOW!

Now think what does that mean and also it is the true reason why communism does not work.

As we all know, there could only be Somalia or USRR. No other country have ever existed, they are all lies made by much evil intellectuals. Don't believe your own eyes.

 

[Funposter]

if a book contains value outside of entertainment then an RPG obviously does, since most of the RPGs that codex loves are just bad books.

Most books have no value at all.

You can at least burn books for heat. What am I supposed to do with my copy of Numenera?

this is why they used to come with instruction manuals

RPGs are art and all art is inherently valuable.

"all art is valuable" is postmodern peepee poopoo bullshit. most "art" is total crap and completely devoid of merit.

 

[JarlFrank]

Therefore one can state that modern art is a decrement to the world and mankind.

I do not consider modern "art" art.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Therefore one can state that modern art is a decrement to the world and mankind.

I do not consider modern "art" art.

You should've clarified that from the beginning, since what you are doing is taking a descriptive term and turning it into a prescriptive one.

 

[Squid]

Yeah, RPGs are only for fun. Stories and themes mean NOTHING. Who cares?!!?! Every game ought to be the most absolute slaughter-fest ever~!!!!~!~!@@!1!!! YEAH!!!!! WOOOOO OH MY GOD DIALOGUE THAT ISN't EDGY!?! NO THANKS~!!!!!! IF YOU CAN'T BE AN EDGELORD FOR THE LULZ AND GO BOOM BOOM POW ON EVERYONE WHAT'S THE POINT MAN!?!

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Based Disco comrade.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

RPGs have dramatically improved my ability to perform statistics, probability, algebra, and understand fractions.

This is actually totally true. Vidya games basically teach my kids everything from reading, to math, to economics, to physics, to history. I have never sent my kids to school, entirely replacing their education with vidya games and murdering things in the woods. The difference when compared to other peoples' kids, or hell, even other people, is absolutely striking. In this one game, for instance, there is this mini-puzzle that other people seem to really struggle with, whereas my kids seem to consider it a non-issue and when assigned to go grind that mission, never even brought it to my attention as something that was worth mentioning. From this and numerous other examples, I conclude that most people are dumber than a 6 year old.

Of course, as a result, they also have no friends, being unable to relate to other kids, who play games like filthy casuals instead of understanding the principles of min-maxing and DPSes, reasoning silly things like "I'm going to equip this weapon because it looks cool and is new and has a big number for its damage" rather than the way my kids see it, which is "I'm going to keep this one because it has higher DPS".

Also, games aren't supposed to be fun. If you're still having fun, you're playing it wrong: The purpose of a game is to optimize the fun out of it. Remember, Dwarf Fortress teaches us: "Losing is fun". The corollary to this is that FUN IS FOR LOSERS, so STOP HAVING FUN.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. My assertion remains true.

 

[Darkzone]

Yes but half of the time the value is in the negative numbers and the Zero has also a value. Art is derived from the latin word artem which means skill, craft or power. Artem is accusative singular of ars which means Skill or Sciences or something that is skillfull made. Exercitatio artem parat. ( Practice makes the Art (master).) Therefore the word art should be only used in connection to something that requires quite the skill to make. Everything that is made in our world is made by a human (i exclude here Animals and AI), but the degree of skills is quite variable. Then we can apply numeric values to the required skill to accomplish a task, where Zero would be the average, while any skillful execution or more than average kognitive kapacities is in the positiv numbers, the work of the left hand or stupidity would have then negative values. Therefore can state that modern art is a decrement to the world and mankind.

This is a nice example of a brain rot the aforementioned obsession with productivity creates. (with all your respect). If you were correct then good artist would always create good art. Proofing one skill by creating a good art once would mean that person should be able to always create art with the same quality or better in the future. This is self evidently absurd. Furthermore they are also many things that require skills like sports or doing surgery which aren't art. Another unfortunate implication of your assumptions is that more skilled artist would always create a better art than less skilled one, which is also wrong, there is a lot of amateur artist who pours heart in their art and manage to create something better than artist which are more skilled.

The only way you can defend your nonsense is by using a mix of circular logic and non sequitur: a person created better art, so they have more skills, therefore art is all about skills. You created this incoherent mess only to rationalize your disdain for the modern art. I don't need this construction to just say that modern art isn't to my taste. The same way I don't need to find some hidden productivity value of RPG to say that I love them and that's enough for me.

Yeah and therefore Louvre is filled with "art"pieces made by dumb and dumber and the sistine chapel was painted by 6 year olds. While the Veit-Stoss-altar was made by Baca, who came down from his mountain and took the time off from his watching the cows and chewing on grass.
Also you commit the mistake here by assuming that an ability can be only risen and not have day-to-day oscillating quality or be even lost. Abilities are dependent on different factors but the trained skill is a necessity and someone who is not capable and skilled will never be capable and skilled, unless he trains his art. Therefore someone who has not the skill, simply told does not have the skill to play with the big boys and this is applies to every higher department of human endeavour. Because nothing comes from nothing and nothing disappears without a trace.
(A sentence that you can tattoo on your arm or forehead and alone the knowledge of this sentence will make you smarter.)
The definition of artem is skill if you would have learned latin, then you would understand this. But i speak guilt the polish commie education system for your blunder.
If someone never has trained martial arts, then he will never win in UFC. If someone never has trained his muscles then he will never win in the strongman competition. If someone has never played soccer, then he will never win a FIFA WC. If someone has never played a piano, then he will never play Chopin. If you want to be a good physicist then you have to study physics for at least 5 years. If you want to be a good programmer then you have to write programs for at least 10k hours. If you want to be a good fighter then you have to train true martial arts for years.
Now think this carefully over.
Every good book is written by someone who has read good books and understands what makes them good (implies analysis of the works) and has trained his writing style. Every musical masterpiece was written by someone who knew good music and understood what made them good and played himself an instrument.
Now to your nonsense circular and none sequitor logic example: a person created better art, so they have more skills, therefore art is all about skills.
Art derives from Skill ( (see latin and examples above ) as the Premiss for A). A person is more skilled (in execution (manual dexterity) and cognitive capabilities) in the art, therefore the person has created better Art.
With Modus ponendo ponens:
A (Person is more skilled.), B (Person has created better Art.): (A And (A->B))->B (A is valid and A implicates B therefore follows B)
Art is not an act of accident, but a summeration of previous acquired skills and experience.

I do not hate modern art and therefore try to justify my hate towards it. I love skills, science, rationality and knowledge, therefore i hate the modern art, postmodernism, communism (marxism in any form), national socialism and islam. (Because this idiotologies are the enemies of my beloved things.) If you are not in awe, when you witness the beauty of true art and creativity and if you cannot comprehend the way that has lead to its creation, then you will not understand my position.

In case of the productivity, it is that 20% of humans make 80% of worlds production

That's why richest dozen or so people own as much as half of the word population? Truly they have to move faster than light to archive such level of productivity, they need to consult NASA RIGHT NOW!

They understand how markets work, which implies they are more skilled and capable than others in the finance and/or innovation sector. They have also spend half of the lives working towards this position while other were not as capable and did invest their time as smart.
Bezos as an example has studied computer science and after his B.Sc. has worked in FITEL (mobile communication), Bankers Trust and D.E. Shaw & Co and there he has developed the idea fo Online Booktrading. In 1994 he founded Amazon.com.
Look at worlds richest people and see how they have arrived at their position in life, before you make such comments. And yes Bezos is making his own NASA, while you sound just jealous and this is a sin according to a religious book. And this sin is also the basis of communism, that wants to take away from the capable people and give it to the idiots. So instead of being jealous praise their skills and capabilities, while you are honing yours.

Now think what does that mean and also it is the true reason why communism does not work.

As we all know, there could only be Somalia or USRR. No other country have ever existed, they are all lies made by much evil intellectuals. Don't believe your own eyes.

I'm not talking here about true Communisc and Real Socialism Countries. I'm talking here about the principle of productivity and the reward system as in ressource distribution. If you are not rewarded for your endeavours, then you will not try and this will result in even further decline of the overall productivity. (A good horse jumps only as high as it has to.) A fucking "Workman's Hero" medal and a sweaty handshake is not a reward, but an insult.
An unproductive system cannot compete with an productive one. In the end a unproductive system will become even more unproductive, then it will run out of the ressources and this will lead to cannibalization of the base of the system. The 20/80 principle is why communism does not work.

 

[DeepOcean]

You old fucks keep realizing you've got more time behind you than in front and now we get all these "man, maybe I've wasted my life playing video games" threads. 80% of your life would have been wasted either way, you just chose video games over other pointless shit.

If you dont play videogames, you will spend more time with your wife and that means wasting more time hearing how such a horrible human being you are, if you play video games, people will annoy you saying how such a horrible human being you are for wasting time with them. If it is to be a horrible humam being anyway, it is better to waste time playing videogames, at least they are fun.