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Comments on Profile Post by hivemind

  1. Agesilaus
    Agesilaus
    What do you want to achieve by studying Classical Greek or Chinese texts? I think you can do both, but if you must pick one over the other then I need to know your reason. If it's for purely philosophical reasons, and you can only pick one, then I vote for Hellenophile.
    Mar 7, 2016
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  2. hivemind
    hivemind
    I was mostly just curious which culture you feel more "positive" about since I have seen you express an interest in both.
    Mar 7, 2016
  3. Severian Silk
    Severian Silk
    Chinese texts are so dominated by Confucious, unless you go back to pre-Imperial China.
    Mar 7, 2016
  4. Agesilaus
    Agesilaus
    Oh, that's a tough one; I feel pretty positive about both. I could definitely break it down subject by subject, though.

    If you're into those military tactics manuals like Sun Zi, then the Sinophiles almost win by default. Other than Aeneas Tacticus, I can't think of a single 5th/4th century Hellenic tactics manual that has survived.
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  5. Agesilaus
    Agesilaus
    If you're into rhetoric manuals and examples, though, then the Hellenes win pretty handily. The Chinese have a few good texts (the Han Fei Zi contains a chapter on it), but the Hellenic works are more detailed, polished, and numerous. More importantly, we also have large number of authentic speeches still extant today; I'm talking about the 10 orators. I don't think China can really compete in this category.
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  6. Agesilaus
    Agesilaus
    There are other examples, and they are closer in other categories, but those are two that immediately came to mind. Also, this stupid thing won't let me post more than x number of characters per post.
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  7. fanta
    fanta
    Better an Europhile, which is to say, a Medievalist.
    Mar 7, 2016
  8. hivemind
    hivemind
    How sufficient do you think English translation are when studying ancient Greek/Chinese stuff ?
    Mar 7, 2016
  9. Agesilaus
    Agesilaus
    Chinese: it can be difficult to obtain English translations for some texts, and the quality can be shitty. It's not that big of an issue, though. I can read/write Modern Chinese, too.

    Greek: English is fine; there's a long history of translations. I studied a bit of Ancient Greek but I'm pretty shitty at it; I only use it now and again to read quotes or see which specific word was used at an important point.
    Mar 7, 2016
  10. majamaja
    majamaja
    become a Tungusicist
    Mar 7, 2016
  11. Agesilaus
    Agesilaus
    If you really get into the Classics, you'll eventually pick up some familiarity with the language and perhaps start studying it. To just read a copy of Sun Zi's Art of War or Herodotus, though? English is perfectly fine.
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  12. Agesilaus
    Agesilaus
    Severian Silk, I'm talking strictly about pre-Han China. I skipped over everything between Qin and the fall of Qing.
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  13. Severian Silk
    Severian Silk
    Yeah, the newer stuff is so stiff and formal.
    Mar 7, 2016
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