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[sgc_meltdown]

thread op is probably never going to reply because SoTN would have exploded his head after playing super castlevania 4 or whatever

 

[Hobo Elf]

The future:

• facebook applications and indie scene (PC devs),
• cellphone games (decent console devs will have to abandon handhelds when such platforms reach enough processing power to concentrate on 3d games only - see PSP problems with decent library of games),
• porn games (japs).

I cannot wait!
(goes back to Ogre Battle and Unreal)

While this is all true, I have to say, I started playing a facebook game yesterday ( ), and to be honest, it's pretty good. Of course it isn't the norm, but I'm just saying that where there is shit, there will always be something good too. The game is basically Dungeon Keeper but with more complexity. That's pretty impressive for a facebook game.

 

[spekkio]

^

You see, Skyway?
That's how quality trolling is done!

 

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

I have had many consoles, but never before the PS3 I have had a console I haven't finished a single game on. Even the Gamecube had some 2 good titles.

 

[Achilles]

spekkio don't act like you don't understand. Yes, all these people were PC people but they declined hard when they started designing games for a different audience, ie the mass market.

 

[MetalCraze]

Spekkio are you upset that same devs made good games for PCs but made nothing but shit for consoles?

It proves a certain point and it isn't yours.

 

[spekkio]

spekkio don't act like you don't understand. Yes, all these people were PC people but they declined hard when they started designing games for a different audience, ie the mass market.

And by Skyway logic that makes them console developers.

It proves a certain point and it isn't yours.

And what point was it, cuz' I'm kinda lost in your flawless "We're discussing RTS' RTS" reasing...?
Was that your regular "PC games > console games" or some variant?

 

[Zarniwoop]

Well, it's no secret that the decline started on consoles. I think that's the main reason why people with any sense don't like them.

Nevar forget that consoles cursed the world with, among others, fixed save points, regenerating health, quick time events, the awesome button, the horrible fixed-corridor-where-you-can-only-go-where-the-devs-want-you-to level design, the retarded tutorial messages every 5 seconds throughout the game, the even more retarded don't-turn-off-your-machine-while-saving-hurr-durr messages, the shitty, un-rotate-able camera and the interfaces which can be operated by 5 only buttons, BUT:

My favourite game of all time, Star Control 2, had a console (3DO) version that was better than the PC one. And Wing Commander. Hell, even X-Com was released on the original Playstation back in the day.

 

[MetalCraze]

And what point was it, cuz' I'm kinda lost in your flawless "We're discussing RTS' RTS" reasing...?
Was that your regular "PC games > console games" or some variant?

No it was "consoletards would rather die than play a game that requires them to play a game" and "games need to be dumbed down to get released on consoles"

PC gamers have Thief
Consoletards have MGS - do I need to say more?

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

The decline didn't kick in with the advent of consoles, that's bullshit. Obviously the Playstations were already around when still many good PC games were released.

It was aound 2001 or so when Microsoft raped the market with the Xbox. Not only was it a shit system, also MS policy and all the pressure/bribing of publishers to release games primarily on Xbox was what caused the major shift. It even got worse with Xbox 360.

Remember Monolith? Right now I'm downloading Blood 2 The Chosen just to get a feel for a good old 90s FPS again.
NOLF series, even FEAR 1 was fucking classic. They had a leading edge because they developed PC exclusive.
Monolith now? Well, judge for yourself.

 

[Zarniwoop]

The decline didn't kick in with the advent of consoles, that's bullshit. Obviously the Playstations were already around when still many good PC games were released.

It was aound 2001 or so when Microsoft raped the market with the Xbox. Not only was it a shit system, also MS policy and all the pressure/bribing of publishers to release games primarily on Xbox was what caused the major shift. It even got worse with Xbox 360.

Remember Monolith? Right now I'm downloading Blood 2 The Chosen just to get a feel for a good old 90s FPS again.
NOLF series, even FEAR 1 was fucking classic. They had a leading edge because they developed PC exclusive.
Monolith now? Well, judge for yourself.

That's not what I meant. The decline didn't start when consoles became popular, it just started on consoles first, even though they already existed. Console games became shitty, dumbed-down crap first, then much later PC games followed. We still had quality titles like Fallout coming out at the same time consoletards were already popping moles from behind crates in Time Crisis.

 

[MetalCraze]

Except console games were always simple and "dumbed down".

Find at least a single complex console game.


Consoles just showed that 'anything sells'. Retards will pay a lot for games that are barely games. It just took a long time for PC devs and publishers to understand this so they kept producing a better game than the next guy as they treated the game market as a tech-market where better hardware sells.

You can now find a console-"anything sells" analogue on PCs as well - indie games.

 

[spekkio]

It was "consoletards would rather die than play a game that requires them to play a game"

You mean this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQZuidKe ... re=related

maybe this:

http://www.mobygames.com/game/dirt

?

"games need to be dumbed down to get released on consoles"

In this case - maybe this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lj38F0VSHs

PC gamers have Thief
Consoletards have MGS - do I need to say more?

Great comparison. Using same logic:
Consoletards have Soul Calibur, PC gamers have One Must Fall.

But if by: "consoletards" you mean "a huge part of current generation of gamers" (you included, BTW - your constant graphic/realism whoring is one of the symptoms of newfag syndrome) - then, probably yes.

tl;dr

 

[Zarniwoop]

Except console games were always simple and "dumbed down".

Find at least a single complex console game.


Consoles just showed that 'anything sells'. Retards will pay a lot for games that are barely games. It just took a long time for PC devs and publishers to understand this so they kept producing a better game than the next guy as they treated the game market as a tech-market where better hardware sells.

You can now find a console-"anything sells" analogue on PCs as well - indie games.

Star Control 2. Wing Commander. Civilization. All came out on consoles. (not first but at least they were ported).

The point is consoles weren't always the mass market shit they are today.The 3DO in particular was insanely expensive as I recall, so only people who were serious about their games ever bought one.

 

[spekkio]

Oh, you switched to the "console games are less complex than PC games" pattern? Nice fucking move, but Higher Game uses it all the time so it's quite old actually.



Keep missing my point - what you call "console games" or "consoletards" has nothing to do with consoles (a closed-architecture computer created primairly for playing arcade games at home).

Using your logic again, Amiga was worse than PC because it had simple and primitive games like Fire Force, Moonstone, Flashback and Chaos Engine. While PC was a beacon of complexity with its exclusives like Ultima series or X-Com.

 

[spekkio]

BROS, DOUBLEPOST.

Aryans have Michelangelo
japs have Utagawa Hiroshige - do I need to say more?

 

[Wyrmlord]

The typical IGN/gamefaqs/whatever user that loves CoD shouldn't, by all means, be tagged as a "console player" in a pejorative way, it's simply an idiot with no taste, the same way the PC crowd is filled with retarded graphic whores that think Crysis is the epitome of gaming and mention it at every chance to prove the superiority of the PC.

I don't think Crysis is the epitome of gaming. I don't think it proves alone some superiority of the PC. I don't think it's to be held up for pure "graphics whore" standards. I just think Crysis is a good game.

And it's pretty much the same for anyone I know who enjoyed Crysis. But as for your central point, I neither think that the IGN/GameFAQs/whatever user who enjoys CoD is someone to be pejoratively tagged a "console player", nor think such a person is an "idiot with no taste".

You know why? Because it's just a videogame. What's with this stupid talk about videogames and high taste? Playing a videogame is not the same thing as reading Homer or translating works from Assyrian. It's just playing a videogame. It has nothing to do with being "elite". It rings as hollow as a cigarette smoker talking about which cigarette is elite and which cigarette is dumbed down for the masses; whatever, it's just a cigarette.

Some people have no sense of proportion.

 

[MetalCraze]

You mean this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQZuidKe ... re=related

I don't see anything special. You just play by holding a single button all the time.

maybe this:

http://www.mobygames.com/game/dirt

?

In this case - maybe this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lj38F0VSHs

Contra 4 is an extremely simple game - once again.

Consoletards have Soul Calibur, PC gamers have One Must Fall.

PC gamers also have Soul Calibur since nothing stops us from running an emulator with a gamepad connected to a PC. Also Guilty Gear is a better fighting game.

 

[Trash]

Consoles vs pc is as lame as when it was c64 vs amstrad. These 'discussions' only exist so you can square whomever takes them seriously into the 'fucking retarded' corner.

 

[Wyrmlord]

Consoles vs pc is as lame as when it was c64 vs amstrad. These 'discussions' only exist so you can square whomever takes them seriously into the 'fucking retarded' corner.

Yeah, I don't get the point either. It's not like they are debating some kind of legislation, where only one of the bills gets passed but not all. It's just a matter of the merits of a consumer product. Nobody stops anyone from playing on PC. Nobody stops anyone from playing on a console. Nobody stops anyone from playing on both.

It's as if the purpose of this discussion is so that one day we will be in a Deus Ex finale sort of situation where we press a button and everyone in the world shall either be eternally limited to PCs or eternally limited to consoles.

 

[spekkio]

@MC:

About Dirt - I mixed this one with GTR2 - I forgot which racing game you keep praising, sorry about that (and all of them look the same for me). Your racing game looks indeed much more complex and elite than the one I posted (probably primitive consolefaggotry). No surprise - it's a PC-only title for elite PC audience...

 

[Trash]

It's as if the purpose of this discussion is so that one day we will be in a Deus Ex finale sort of situation where we press a button and everyone in the world shall either be eternally limited to PCs or eternally limited to consoles.

Nah. The sole purpose of it is to say 'my toy is better because'. It was sad in kindergarten and it hasn't aged well.

 

[MetalCraze]

My point was that you will have to water down a lot of features for consoles for various reasons (which I've named) if you are to release the same game on consoles.

The lack of truly complex games on consoles is used as a proof as well as dumbed down games in the same series.

So no need to get upset about "lololo ELITE gamerz" because that isn't my point. Although PC audience does have one important thing console audience doesn't

A choice what to play.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

I don't know about "dumbed down"

Quake and Diablo and Doom and Starcraft and all these iconic PC games are also dumbed down.

Doesn't really bother me.

What bothers me however is the lack of courage in todays environment to create new and mature themes, instead we still get that Halo Yes Sir, Master Chief saves the world yes sir juvenile bullshit. And not just one, it's like the whole fucking industry is really eager to rip each other off. And then they're even proud of this.

At least back in the fucking 90s you were scorned upon if you made a Quake clone, nowadays everyone's proud to get a CoD clone out there that doesn't sell shit.

There's only so much bullshit a gamer can take.

 

[MetalCraze]

There is a reason to bash Playstation 1 because it ruined console gaming.

When 2D arcades were replaced with a shitty 3D that only hurt the gameplay.