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AoD: This game feels very on the rails. Am i playing it right?

Discussion in 'Iron Tower Studio' started by GentlemanCthulhu, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. Diggfinger Cipher

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  2. Politician Lurker King

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    You want the “freedom” to succeed without the proper skills because skill checks should be fluffy. I believe the word for this kind of mentality is popamole. Besides, the premise of your criticism is misguided since many of the main skill checks can be overcome with different builds. But then again, you already know that, and you are not interested in the truth. You are interested in venting your butthurt because your precious ego was perforated by VD’s design, and you just can’t accept that, can you?

    But these choices have a narrative impact, are interesting and have far-reaching consequences. You don’t see that, because you don’t value these things. You want choices that have no narrative impact and are limited in scope. You want the choice of killing NPCs and doing nonsensical degenerate gameplay. That’s the real problem. These “Vince’s choices” criticism is just a smokescreen for the real complain: you want a docile gameworld that works as a playground to make you feel powerful.

    You don’t have to do much solving puzzles by yourself in any cRPG, pal. You just think you do because you are butthurt. In other words, you are criticizing the game based on a utopia that only exists in your head. Every path is predetermined by developers. The real question is what kind of game world and choices do you want in your cRPG.
     
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  3. Politician Lurker King

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    Because he is assuming you are mature enough to get your shit together and try again. It’s actually funny that people also complain about the ability to teleport, while things such as teleport allows you to make a new build and move on quickly.

    OH MY GOD. I THINK I’M GOING TO KILL MYSELF. What is the fucking problem that VD decided this or that? It’s his fucking cRPG. He created the characters and their gameworld. Who else should decide who does what? You? Me? I’m starting to think that you can’t accept VD’s choices because he is a Codex poster like yourself. Therefore, he isn’t special enough to make his own characters the way he sees fit. Grow up.
     
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  4. skaraher Arbiter

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    That's not true, moderate success can be achieved if you don't go the full retard route of destroying cities and murdering head of states left and right. Also the Praetor route has quite the different endings so you can't really use it as an exemple of strict railroading. It is quite possible to leave the game with Antidas in a stronger position that the one you found him with, if you destroy maadoran and bomb al-akia for exemple.

    Blatantly false, running the kingmaker scheme is the only way to make Carrinas confident enough in his position to betray Paullus to Meru in the first sword ending. So while it's widely different from what we're lead to expect in Act 1, you can't really say that plot thread goes nowhere.

    If you murder darista and gaelius (which can be done without combat if you pumped critical strike) you can still be an assassin for ganezzar's branch. I think the point of the AG questline was that Boatmen as an independent force was a thing from bygone era and now all the guild heads are joining lords. It's stated from the start in Teron.

    The fuck are you talking about, poisons are sold by regular merchant and you just need 2 dot in alchemy to craft your own.

    Cite us a game where we can hire assassins to resolve any quests we want at any times. Unrealistic expectations shouldn't be a basis on CnC criticism.

    While combat heavy, AG has its share of impersonate and stealth check.

    Btw the vast majority of your complaint is discussing plotpoints and writing quality, from a very passionate viewpoint (regarding Antidas and assassins for exemple) and not really adressing the structure of the game, which has its faults, true.

    Also why shill so much for Antidas when he has never been written has anything more than a bumbling retard ? Hell it's even stated during the Al-Akia segment that Meru got possessed after listing to Antidas' advices and opening the star room.
     
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  5. Whisper Arcane Vatnik

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    I always found it a bit strange, how you can be guildmaster (at same time!) of several guilds in Skyrim: fighters, mages, thiefs and noone objected. And most didnt even mention this, though they should know who is guildmaster, no?

    Very unrealistic.
     
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  6. BlackAdderBG Arcane Patron

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    AoD is solid test to see who like RPGs and who- lapring simulators/action games.
     
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  7. Zed Duke of Banville Zo Kath Ra Patron

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    Age of Decadence is a test of who prefers RPG gameplay and who prefers scripting. :M Although I played through AoD four times, enjoyed it, and selected it as the best CRPG of 2015, I'm not blind to the game's flaws.
     
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  8. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Or people who can see the value of both, when done well? What is the point of that statement?
     
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  9. BlackAdderBG Arcane Patron

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    Scripting is the core of the RPG genre, if you don't have heavy scripted gameplay you don't have a RPG, but some kind of action game. I mean technically all game are scripted, but I know you don't mean that. Can you give me example of this "RPG gameplay" of yours?

    This is not RPG gameplay for me

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  10. fanta Arcane

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    Clicking hyperlinks is not gameplay, whether they're [awesome] or ordinary ones
     
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  11. ItsChon Resident Zoomer Patron

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    It's funny to me that people shit on newer games for having quest markers and removing all elements of the player having to read carefully and find shit, but then turn around and praise AoD for literally teleporting you to where you need to be because it saves time and backtracking. Never change Codex.
     
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  12. Politician Lurker King

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    So we have to conclude that King of Dragon Pass and Darklands are not games then?

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  13. Politician Lurker King

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    The teleports allow the developers to move the character around according to the flow of events that are out of his control. You, the player, can’t decide to stop what is happening in the game world whenever you see fit. This has nothing to do with facilitators such as quest markers. They are only facilitators in the sense that you can avoid needlessly walking from point A to point B. I don’t remember anyone complaining that the car in Fallout was popamole because it made traveling faster. I guess it all revolves around on arbitrary preferences and double standards then.
     
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  14. BlackAdderBG Arcane Patron

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    Reading carefully and finding shit does not make a game RPG, pre-distributed stats deciding the outcome of events/encounters does. You know the Roleplaying in the Roleplaying game.
     
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  15. Carrion Arcane Patron

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    The real reason is probably to make sure the player doesn't break quests by doing things that the developers don't want him to do. Also pacing reasons and the general lack of non-combat mechanics that necessitates a CYOA approach.
     
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  16. HeatEXTEND Cipher Patron

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    /every "AoD so overrated BUUUHHHHUUUUWWHEEEEEEEEEE" thread.
    These mongrels taking stabs at AoD deserve every poe/tyranny/numanuma piece of shit from now till the end of time.

    You are assuming these people can parse basic english words. They can't.
     
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  17. Zed Duke of Banville Zo Kath Ra Patron

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    RPGs are defined by game mechanics, not by dialogue options whether with or without skill checks:

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  18. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    RPGs are defined by frens.
    You can't have an RPG without frens, which is why games without companions aren't RPGs.
     
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  19. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    The car in Fallout didn't drive on its own outside of the player's control.
     
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  20. Cross Savant

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    The irony is that Planescape: Torment lets you do stuff like sneaking, disguising and pickpocketing through unscripted gameplay rather than CYOA-style prompts.
     
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  21. Verylittlefishes Learned

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    It also have exactly one single ending, no matter what you do.
     
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    It doesn't tho...
     
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  23. Verylittlefishes Learned

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    You mean, you can die? Yes, you can. Or you can go to the same ending without saying goodbye to our companions. Any more ones?
     
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  24. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    - merge with TTO
    - kill TTO
    - suicide
    - will him out of existence

    Yeah the overall ending is always the same (go fight in the blood war), but there are various ways to deal with TTO, and various different things you can do before that (discover your real name, resurrect your companions, etc).
     
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  25. Verylittlefishes Learned

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    Yes; but the ending is the same and varies only in details, while in AoD you actually get a bunch of different endings.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm #1 torment fan in existence, but it is just honest to say that after the Ravel's maze RPG ends and the railroaded adventure starts. Yes, the grearest adventure of all time. But still.
     
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