Arcanum is the 2nd Coming of the Christ and the 8th Wonder!

No. That's retarded. Plain, and simple. $10 for even a dea dengine is retarded. Bring up smart ideas before opening your stupid mouths. Why should indie devs make a profit (even if it's a little) off BIO's hard work for only $10? I didn't know indie deving was about taking advantage of others' ahrd work and generosity.

Disgusting.

There's a reason why BIO put the IE to rest. It's passe. It's not modern. It's time has come and gone. An indy dev - as opposed to some smuck wanting to make a mod for fun - using an ancient engine to MAKE MONEY - is absolute bullshit.

Period.

 

What would Bio lose? They aren't using the IE for anything anymore.

 

It's not like they can just zip some files and put them on their website.
They'd have to refactor and rewrite some code to make a proper build for public use, like clean out 3rd party licensed libraries and especially parts of the game code. Plus they'd be bugged for support, too.
In other words, it would take them man hours for a little profit.

 

Who said soemthing about them 'losing' anything? If I find them, I'll slap them.

Here's a monetary view for why this is bullshit:

1. BIo sells IE license to Indy Dev for $10.

2. Indy dev makes game, and sells for $20 a pop.

3. Indy dev hypes game with a tag of 'using the famed IE, licensed to us by the ultra successful Bio game dev company).

4. Game sales 10k copies rather than the usual 2.5k copies that particular dev tends to sell their game.

5. Indy dev also saved quite a bit money on making a professional level quality game engine to boot.

6. All that, and you claim it's ok/morally acceptable for BIO to make $10 on the whole process?

Complete, and utter crap.


I guess since Troika is dead, it would be fair for BIO to pay $10 to the fromer Troikians for one of their engines like that FOish wannabe game's engine? I mean $10 is more than what they ar egetting out of it anyways despite the money Troika poured into making it, anyways. R00fles!


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HAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

indie developers often seem to get stuck in the tech choice , imho sourceforge is enough to get technology to make games without using some half assed 10 years old 2d engine .

plus i think 3d would be the way for indies rather then 2d because it can speed up gfx side part of the game .

 

Yes and no. 3D is nice for re-use purposes, but it's also got a higher learning curve in terms of technology use. Anybody can draw a series of spirtes (albeit badly) in paintshop, but not everyone can pick up a 3D editing tool and make animations from it. Of course, a good indie developer should have decent artists, but then there's the matter of time consumption for "pretty" 3D graphics, which is far longer than that for even high-quality 2D games. Like many people in the industry have pointed out, these days it takes a small group of artists a month just to make one piddly monster. It used to be that one artist could make several in that same period.

Releasing the IE is not so much about Bio's profits (in fact, I don't think they should do anything to make it "public friendly"), but more about giving something to the rather large IE modding scene, which could probably do something with it that'll make indie development for the IE alot easier. And frankly, I don't consider the IE outdated at all - for indie work, it's a pretty solid engine that's on par with any 2D engine out there and, more importantly, time-tested. As for what Bio would gain - why, PR, of course, and free advertising for its company name.

 

"As for what Bio would gain - why, PR, of course, and free advertising for its company name."

At this point, it means very little. Any small amount of positive PR they'd get by doing this would likely make it not worth it. The only people who would truly care one wya or the other are those who already like or at least grudgingly admit their success. This type of 'free advertising' wouldn't help BIO's bottom line at all, or help make them more well known.

 

Hey guys, the infinity engine is FAR FROM dead and will not die within 10 years. You guys really need to check out some modding communities - there are more than one, and they are VERY VERY active.

spellholdstudios
gibberdingstree
pocketplane studios
...

 

Says the guy who likes to lie on his website. R00fles!

P.S. Overall, your website is cool; but is also full of lies. Too bad too.

 

How about indie developers paying royalties or whatever to Bioware from each sale?

 

Sure. That would actually makes sense since that what does (and should) happen when someone licenses an engine. They make some kind of real profit. ie. BIO with the Witcher. And, it doens't have to actual roylaties. If negotiated, it could just be a lump sum too.


btw, It's completely different between free user mods and actual indy devs who are trying to make money. One is just people having fun. The other is a business even if it is a very small business. I wouldn't care too much if BIO allowed that business wise; but merely giving it away (free or $10) is just silly when the purchaser is planning to make money off the purchase.

Of course, like everyone in this thread, it's not up to me. In fact, I woudln't surprise if BIO has put the IE code in some ancient computer, and left it there to rot. I wonde rhow long their rights to it last. Forever? Heh.

 

One problem I'd say is the lack of games to mod. You can't mod the BGs and Icewind Dales forever. Sad.

 

Point me to them. But I don't think you're a trustworthy person, I've seen enough of your posts aruond here I'll at least consider your opinion about them.
Edit: thrust, trust, bah.

 

To be honest, I don't find him very thrustworthy either.

 

/fark

 

"Point me to them. But I don't think you're a trustworthy person, I've seen enough of your posts aruond here I'll at least consider your opinion about them.
Edit: thrust, trust, bah."

When you matter-of-factly stated that BG2 was the most successful western RPG of all time.

I love BG2; but that's a pretty big lieunless you are just a simple personal opinion; but the statement comes off as if it's factual.

P.S. Nobody at the Codex should trust me. I'd be quite happy if they didn't.

 

Not one of the downloads on that website works

 

Try Terra Arcanum if it's still around.

 

Wow! You got a dumbfuck hat trick! BTW that's just Volourn's friendly way of saying that he likes your web site.

IIRC Garage Games has a pretty cheap license for indies who want to use the Torque engine. On top of that last summer or winter I had a chance to look around and found quite a bit of reasonably licensable 3D models sets that would contain just about all the artwork and models that any fantasy game would need... I also don't recall seeing any of their sample models in any games, so at this point, it wouldn't feel like recycled junk(NWN2 I'm looking right at your uber recycling right now...)...

 

Gah, Terra-Arcanum is a complete mess by now. Lots of files, no descriptions.

 

You'd think the 2nd coming of Christ and 8th wonder of the world would have a bigger and more dedicated fanbase.

 

(still off-topic)
I was talking about sale rates. Everybody knows BG2 and almost everybody who knows what the meaning of the word "RPG" is played it. But maybe you're right, if you really take Elder Scrolls into account, Morrowind sold a lot more, I think.

 

I'm stuck trying to clear the sewers of Tarant. How do I complete the quest (I assume there is one)? I spent hours at it to finally clear all the new and old sewers, killed the bandits, not a monster in site (I checked the whole thing yesterday). But still the newspapers talk about giant rodent attacks and the dwarf dude at Tarant Power & Water says the sewers are shut off.

 

I think there is no quest, I've never encountered one, and there is no way to persuade that dwarf in letting you go down there.
You can only go there if you find the entrances in the boil, and there is no quest for clearing it.

 

Hey, isn't there a little side quest regarding a dropped ring?

and sheek, I always encountered gaint rats (the ones you talk about) down in the Tarant sewers!
I accessed them via the lower left area of the map, close to the fortune teller. Can't remember for sure.
I only remember there were a lot of those things, and they poison you plus some of them are quite high level.