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Are games art?

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Vlajdermen, Mar 26, 2019.

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Я games art?

  1. No

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  2. Who the fuck cares

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  3. Only if labeled as such by Janjetina

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  4. It is impossible to know because there is no clear definition of what art is

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  5. To be fair, you have to have a very high iq to understand games as an art form

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  6. Only The Last of Us and Dad of War

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  7. Slava Rodu (I don't get that Kingcomrade meme)

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  1. yellowcake Arcane

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    Simpleton succumbing to pride, nothing new under the sun.

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  2. luj1 You're all shills

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    It's beyond me why people don't use their god-given deductive ability.

    Drawing, painting, sculpting, composing, etc. are art.

    What are video games if not a conglomeration of 2D drawings, 3D-sculpted objects, music, sounds, etc. - therefore a pan-art form.

    You have to be some kind of a limited mongrel to really believe games aren't art.
     
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  3. Assisted Living Godzilla Arbiter

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    I don't know. Is Candy Land art? It too is a game. It has drawings on the board and box. It's telling a story. There's artistry that went into the making of it, but is it in and of itself art? Is hopscotch art? If not, why? What if someone playing draws out an immaculate looking hopscotch court? At what point does a game become art?
     
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  5. Assisted Living Godzilla Arbiter

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    I don't know, zinkydonk sounds too much like shrinky dinks, and videos games are not shrinky dinks...ergo they are not zinkydonks. They also aren't zinc dummies.
     
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  6. Icewater Artisanal Shitposting™ Patron

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    The entire "are games art?" debate centers around people being uncomfortable with the idea of some shit like Cawwadoody being considered equal to [great work of art]. It's ridiculous because, as some have already pointed out, it's entirely reasonable to say that video games are art but most video games are not good art. People don't see a child's scribbles as taking away from truly skilled artists, why should video games be any different?
     
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  7. laclongquan Arcane

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    The credibility of that link are two games mention inside: Doom and Dwarf Fortress
     
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    And you have to be a mouth-breathing mongoloid for making this assertion without realizing a basic fact: Not all drawings/paintings/sculptures/compositions are art.

    All art is decorative, but not all decorations are art. It's not a two-way street.

    On that note, anyone calling themselves an artist is talking bullshit. People don't get to call themselves artists, regardless of what they've done or how good they're at it - that's for others to do. It's a title that people earn from their peers for being good at their work.

    I didn't move anywhere, you did. Stop twisting my words.
     
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  9. Sigourn Arcane

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    It is impossible to know because there is no clear definition of what art is

    It's a cop-out, but it's a necessary cop-out. What is "Artistic merit"? What is "art"? Is it "technique"? Because games require technique to be made, it's in their nature: you can't just simply throw a bucket of paint into a canvas to poof a game into existence, you require the knowledge to be able to program one and use the different tools. Art isn't a measure of quality either, which is what a lot of people think when they think of art (hence "high culture").

    It seems the most common yet implicit definition of art is "something made by someone which makes you think". Essentially if something doesn't make you think, it isn't art: that's what a lot of people think. Hence something like Marcel Duchamp's readymades are considered art by many: the guy grabbed a urinal, changed its orientation, and gave it a name. Boom, "it's art". Piero Manzoni's "Artist's shit" is also considered art: literally feces on tin cans. But as we have seen, nearly EVERYTHING can be called art if it's in a museum or a gallery (like the glasses on the museum posted earlier).

    Then we can talk about whether art is something made for expression only, as opposed to something to entertain others or a commodity to sell. If I'm not mistaken, the Mona Lisa itself was commissioned, and no one in their right mind (speaking about "high culture" circles) would dispute it being "art". Therefore, it is not only impossible to know because there is no clear definition of what art is, but most importantly: who the fuck cares? There are people devoted to cinema as an art (filmmakers, critics and theorists) who simply don't give a damn about other art forms. People won't suddenly care about videogames if they are called "art". Neither will your parents be proud of you for indulging in videogames just because they are "art".

    My personal opinion: I don't want to share the same hobby with people who will analyze Galaga as if there's some deep underlying meaning behind it.
     
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  10. Siveon Bot

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    Artists are not artists through merit. The title of art is not an immediate badge of honor, but rather a means to explain the human creative expression. Not all art is good, original, or even that creative. Art can be made with ill or monetary intent. It is even possible to make art, with the intention of not making art at all.

    This is confusing, as we call great things "a work of art". A man who honed his skills has it down to an "art". The meaning here is that the work is so obviously art because it is that good. The honed craft is an art because he put so much passion and effort it's now a tangible form of creative expression.

    So the big question is how do you tell the difference? Depends on the person viewing the work. It's a two way street, one person looks at a comissioned landscape painting and says it has no soul. The other says the beauty is in the detail, and calls it art. Third agrees with the first, but says it's just bad art. Or in other words, you can't, it's all art to someone. Good or bad.

    At least that's the way I saw it. The answer "who the fuck cares", is appropriate, because it means so little, and is dependent on the individual.
     
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  11. Comte Arcane

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    Grimoire is art
     
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  12. Somberlain Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Video games are much more than just art. They are a way of life.








    RISE UP
     
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  13. Tavernking Don't believe his lies Shitposter

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    Games are science
     
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  14. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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    Prosper has proved that games can be art.
     
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  15. Squadcar Learned

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    There's good games on there like Planescape: Torment too! But then I look further and see shit like Fallout 3 and Bioshock Infinite!

    Stupid list really. Why? Because I don't agree with it. That's how art works folks! If you don't find the artistic value behind it, then what's it worth to you? Nil. Nothing. I've seen more heart and soul and artistic value in a kid's portrait of his dog than I have from college art students. Some people spend 40 years making bad art and then suddenly make good art and they're rich and famous. It happens. It's about what you're looking for I guess.
     
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  16. DeepOcean Arcane

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    Most fuckers that claim games aren't art, never played a video game.
    Most fuckers that claim what they do is art, are full of bullshit.
    Art on those retarded days of the decline of the western civilization is alot of BS.
    So, don't give a shit, actually if some moron claim video games aren't art, this is actually a compliment for games on how art is a fucking decline shit on the west.
    Gonna be offended if some fraudsters that take a dump on the middle of some art gallery wanna say games aren't art?
    Actually, those fucker have shit for brains. The more artistic they are, the more shit for brains they have, at least that is how art works on the west right now.
     
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  17. Mr. Magniloquent Learned

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    St. John’s Cathedral is not art. It is a place of worship, functionally and purposefully. It merely contains art. The Eiffel Tower is art. It is a sculpture that has no function other than to be aesthetic. Video games, in the modern day, are more often entertainment rather than art. While both are the culmination of human creativity and expression—most games are made to entertain, not capture or convey a concept. The distinction matters. Most games are entertainment that use art as a vehicle for ulterior motives.
     
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  18. majorsoccer Prospernaut Shitposter

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    holy shit,we need hitler !
     
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  19. Zed Duke of Banville Zo Kath Ra Patron

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    Videogames are one of the few refuges of quality art. :M
     
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  20. Black Arcane

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    Moot point since modern art is meaningless, boring, banal and shit.
     
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  22. scytheavatar Novice

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    Art used to be something to cherish

    Now literally anything could be art

    This post is art
     
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  23. Dexter Arcane

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    New evidence in, it appears he was correct:
     
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  24. Abhay Savant

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    Yes they are, but with changing times the motivation behind creating a video game is no longer about art anymore. As already pointed out, there's also a lot of shit art to be found coming out of the industry. If you trace the motivation for making video games in the past, then you will find many developers working with a great vision in their pursuit to generate art and not just profits from recycled ideas. These developers made my childhood so memorable with their contribution to the medium. It certainly is an art if it still makes me play their games even after so many years have passed.

    Sure we still continue to get games every year that will generate profits for the publishers, but do we really appreciate the craft of these modern developers as an art form?
    I don't think the video game industry in recent times is raising the level of fine art in creating amazing works that will live for years to come.
     
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  25. Rahdulan Arcane Patron

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    Once again we see devs thinking they're entitled to sales for some reason.
     
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