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Arguments against Steam being a DRM system

AdmiralHugbunny

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This knowledgeable bro on the Steam forums has posted the following rebuttal to claims that Steam is a form of DRM:

Steamfag said:
* Requiring that the game disc is in your computer while you play.
No disks with Steam
* Requiring that the computer is connected to the Internet to play.
Offline mode
* Limiting the number of times that you are allowed to install your game on a computer.
Unlimited re-download through steam

What is your problem?

u r so stooped lol steam is not drm beacuase u don't get DVD! :retarded:
 

Nostradumbass

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he is pretty right. steam is the "best" form of drm out there.

in before a boatload of butthurt people with wild anecdotes about certain exceptions neglecting the bigger picture that steam is pretty good, all in all.
 

baronjohn

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Steam: You rent the game from Valve for retail price and they can take it away at any time for any reason including shits and giggles and there's nothing you can do about it

CD Check: I can lend the game, sell it, copy it, break it, or take a shit on it and nobody can take it away from me

So yeah, Steam is DRM, and it's incredibly shitty DRM at that.
 

Zed

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Has Steam ever taken away a game?
 

Zeus

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Zed said:
Has Steam ever taken away a game?

Well, you can lose your whole account for a TOS violation. Imagine if saying the wrong thing on a Walmart forum (why the hell would you be posting there?) gave Walmart the right to raid your home and take back everything you ever bought there. Or if Walmart found out you were loaning your stuff to a friend, they burst in and take it all back. That's steam for you.

he is pretty right. steam is the "best" form of drm out there.

Steam is one of the worst forms of DRM. You never own the game. It's a rental service. You're allowed to re-download a copy, as long as Valve is around and your account is in good standing. Like John said, CD checks give you a hell of a lot more freedom.
 

Quilty

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If there's actually a Walmart forum, it is the codex's duty to troll it. :salute:

Oh and stop calling Steam DRM, just be lucky you can get a fuckton of games for like 3 dollars. Who cares if that shit vanishes one day? I certainly won't cry over losing TF2.
 

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NostraDUMBASS said:
he is pretty right. segregation is the "best" form of racism out there.

in before a boatload of butthurt people with wild anecdotes about certain exceptions neglecting the bigger picture that segregation is pretty good, all in all.
 

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Zeus said:
Zed said:
Has Steam ever taken away a game?

Well, you can lose your whole account for a TOS violation. Imagine if saying the wrong thing on a Walmart forum (why the hell would you be posting there?) gave Walmart the right to raid your home and take back everything you ever bought there. Or if Walmart found out you were loaning your stuff to a friend, they burst in and take it all back. That's steam for you.
He didn't ask if they CAN do it. He asked if they've actually DONE it before. In other words, sure the law is there, but are they actually Nazi-like in enforcing the law? Last I heard they only ban idiots that aimhack in CS. Oh man what Nazis.

Of course everybody also forgets that DRM is disliked not because it is DRM but because of how intrusive it is. You know, like the three things Steam does not do in the OP?
 

Multi-headed Cow

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baronjohn said:
Steam: You rent the game from Valve for retail price and they can take it away at any time for any reason including shits and giggles and there's nothing you can do about it
Worth noting this has never actually happened, and games that have been pulled from Steam did not get removed from people who bought them, and they can still re-download them whenever they want. They're just no longer available for purchase.

Edit: Correction, Valve has taken away games that people got for "Free" from promotions that got fucked up. Like during the winter sale when King's Bounty was mistakenly showing up free for everyone. Those fiends. :M
 

AdmiralHugbunny

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Actually, that did happen to me. My old account was shut down for absolutely no reason. Steam customer service refused to reactivate it or tell me why the fuck it was locked in the first place or for that matter even talk to me. All I got was an automated reply saying what basically amounts to a "fuck you, but you're welcome to repurchase everything you had".

On another note, I do buy shit on Steam occasionally, but only when it's at a price I wouldn't be too upset about losing.
 

Metro

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AdmiralHugbunny said:
... only when it's at a price I wouldn't be too upset about losing.

This is pretty much the only instance when I buy things on Steam -- case in point I only spent $34 during the Holiday sale and got around ~20 games. If you only spend $5-10 per title then it's worth it regardless of the 'rental' aspect.

As far as the argument about DRM, obviously it is, but I'm a pragmatist. Life is too short to have principled stances over something as trivial as game ownership. You can head over to the GoG forums to see a bunch of people who believe otherwise and stretch such beliefs to illogical boundaries: I'd rather spend $5 on some decent indie title on Steam subject to DRM than $60 on Durpspace 2.

Oh, it also most definitely does not delete porn. 'cuz I have plenty o' that.
 

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AdmiralHugbunny said:
Actually, that did happen to me. My old account was shut down for absolutely no reason. Steam customer service refused to reactivate it or tell me why the fuck it was locked in the first place or for that matter even talk to me. All I got was an automated reply saying what basically amounts to a "fuck you, but you're welcome to repurchase everything you had".
That sucks. If that really is the case in general (i.e. you aren't just very unlucky) then I can understand the argument against Steam.
 

Zeus

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Oh, it happens.

Valve also has an "infallible" automated anti-cheat system with zero-tolerance bans.

Think about that for a second: Valve employs a program which, if it thinks you've cheated at an online game, will ban your Steam account, and there's nothing you can do about it, because the system can supposedly never fail.

That is, of course, unless it fails spectacularly, and all at once, as was the case with the Modern Warfare 2 bans, which left thousands of legitimate Steam users permanently locked out of their accounts, with Valve shaking their smug heads, saying, "There's nothing we can do, it's INFALLIBLE."

When press got bad, Valve did what they always do to win over gamers. They pushed digital software for nothing, gave away copies of L4D and re-activated the accounts. It's how they won over gamers in the first place: everyone hated Half-Life 2's single player campaign being saddled with online activation, at least until Valve was all, "Watch for falling prices!" and put out a dirt cheap Steam sale or two. After that, everyone was eating out of the palm of their hand.

And the fact that you can lose the right to play your legally purchased Steam games because of a random glitch in their system? Immediately forgotten.

But man, L4D is cool!
 

Antihero

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Mangoose said:
AdmiralHugbunny said:
Actually, that did happen to me. My old account was shut down for absolutely no reason. Steam customer service refused to reactivate it or tell me why the fuck it was locked in the first place or for that matter even talk to me. All I got was an automated reply saying what basically amounts to a "fuck you, but you're welcome to repurchase everything you had".
That sucks. If that really is the case in general (i.e. you aren't just very unlucky) then I can understand the argument against Steam.

Seems to happen often enough from posts I've seen on their forums. I couldn't say how much of it is their fault and how much gets resolved, but Valve seems to have a policy of lock first, talk later. I don't know how linked their community thing is with your forum account now, but I didn't think you could get your Steam account banned for forum violations since you don't have to give them any way of linking the two accounts - maybe that's changed, but I just remember having to wait a while for the forum account to activate some years ago.
 

Topher

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I hate to use it because it's still possible to loose what I've already paid for for reasons beyond my control and that makes it into something I don't want to use.
 
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AdmiralHugbunny said:
Actually, that did happen to me. My old account was shut down for absolutely no reason. Steam customer service refused to reactivate it or tell me why the fuck it was locked in the first place or for that matter even talk to me. All I got was an automated reply saying what basically amounts to a "fuck you, but you're welcome to repurchase everything you had".
That's what you get for buying games on Steam. Also, what's the point of promotions if you can just get them for free? I'm starting to suspect that you Hate Moral Clarity.
 

Multi-headed Cow

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Zeus said:
Think about that for a second: Valve employs a program which, if it thinks you've cheated at an online game, will ban your Steam account, and there's nothing you can do about it, because the system can supposedly never fail.
*Ban your Steam account from VAC enabled servers. It doesn't disable access to your games.
 

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Yeah, get your shit straight before you comment on something Zeus.

Quilty said:
Who cares if that shit vanishes one day? I certainly won't cry over losing TF2.

There's built-in backup tool in Steam so you can burn all your games on some DVD's or store a copy on your hard drive. There's also an offline mode, so you'll be able to play singleplayer games even if Valve bites the dust.
 

Multi-headed Cow

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There's also an offline mode, so you'll be able to play singleplayer games even if Valve bites the dust.
That's also not QUITE true, since you have to launch a game the first time in online mode to verify it/unlock it/whatever it. After that you can run it forever in offline mode. I'm pretty sure you have to do this with backed up copies of Steam games as well.
 

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