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Assassin's Creed Odyssey, set in ancient Greece - it's definitely an RPG now

Quillon

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Don't know anything about the DLC but if I were to guess they must have made it that way to further the speshul bloodline; whether the character's romantically involved or not, he/she/ubisoft decides dat bloodline is moar importante...probably.

Also I didn't see woke crowd raging anywhere for that its clear both characters are bi by default, there is nothing player can do to change it, only when it didn't go their way they complain about lack of agency.
 

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Fckn Ubisoft quebec. It's the worst studio. I hope they remove this rubbish ass player choice nonsense in the next game instead focus on the damn mechanics, and I sure as hell don't want filler garbage content.
 

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Not appealing to the woke crowd is the least of its problem imo. To me the whole thing is shitty just purely because of dogshit storytelling.

No matter how you tailor your dialogue choices as Kassandra, she will still come off as this sympathy reserve type, as in she has a good heart and is willing to help any troubled one that needs her help, but she's not the kind of person that can be easily swayed mentally. You know, the type that doesn't boast about their big balls or how powerful they are, but we know that they deserve respect from the time we've spent with them. That's why forcing her with Nekatas, an ugly beta male that did nothing to impress her both physically and mentally makes no sense. From what I've seen, Kassandra has zero reason to glance at him, let alone getting into a long term relationship with him. They have zero chemistry despite Ubisoft's valiant effort at "crafting" that ending, and the fact that she was so down to settling down with a guy that's totally not in her league contradicted the way her personality was written in the main game.

Also, the romance aspect in the game, they were executed so badly I prefer to see them as Ubisoft making fun of people who expected banging simulation from Bioware's games. It's easy to create an impression where you stop taking one stuff seriously, and your audience procceed to do the same. So when a plot point like this comes up in nowhere, abruptly changed your character's perspective without using time to build up emotional impact, and told audience that it was created to stay in line with the lore, it's easy to irritate players because they weren't ready for it.

And things that I'm concerned the most: Kassandra showed that she's a pretty level headed person, so why on earth would she decide to have a child when the cultists are on her ass and mercenaries hunting each other? Any responsible adult would know that there's no way an infamous mercenary that holds grudge towards world dominant religious fucks should bear a child that demands 24/24 attention, that's like hanging a can of fuel above lit fire camp. Even if Ubi planned to kill off the child in the next episode, I still failed to see how this isn't dodgy storytelling that disregard character's personality.

There's another easy way to tackle this plot too: make the child belong to
Deimos

Seriously, who gives a shit about protagonist's sexuality. The bigger problem here is that Ubisoft is totally clueless at giving their character a tasteful arc, and I can't see why I should give a shit when Ubi themselves didn't.
 

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You can't choose shit in the DLC, it doesn't matter what you choose, your character clearly loves the Darius' child deeply, and it's showed in a teenage love drama way. If you decide to say “fuck off, leave and never return”, the game shows your character goes back to your little room and cry because the one you love is leaving you, then they suddently return and your character decide to have a kid with him.

There is nothing this god damn awful in the base game. The base game's romance is bad, but it's bad in a kind funny way, and you don't like it you just ignored them completely. The base game's choices are fine, nothing special but serve its purpose, the DLC's choices aren not choices, they are just different ways for you to see how the devs screw up your character for their own twisted mind.
 

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Fckn Ubisoft quebec. It's the worst studio. I hope they remove this rubbish ass player choice nonsense in the next game instead focus on the damn mechanics, and I sure as hell don't want filler garbage content.
Agreed about not wanting filler garbage, disagreed about the player choice, its presence greatly enhances the experience, even when they are cosmetic sometimes.
 

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disagreed about the player choice
It doesn't have a place in the lore. Nothing fckn makes sense anymore. And I rather they spent their dev time else where, creating more varied enemies, env. set-pieces and so on. Origins struck a fine balance and created a strong foundation. Odyssey broke it down and created a mud castle.
 

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disagreed about the player choice
It doesn't have a place in the lore. Nothing fckn makes sense anymore. And I rather they spent their dev time else where, creating more varied enemies, env. set-pieces and so on. Origins struck a fine balance and created a strong foundation. Odyssey broke it down and created a mud castle.
I admit I don't give a single flying (or nonflying) fuck about AC lore. It has always been uninteresting tripe to me.
I would love it if Ubisoft killed the IP and instead made a new RPG IP totally unencumbered by the AC lore/tropes/staples.
 

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I admit I don't give a single flying (or nonflying) fuck about AC lore. It has always been uninteresting tripe to me.
I would love it if Ubisoft killed the IP and instead made a new RPG IP totally unencumbered by the AC lore/tropes/staples.
-_- Always nice when non fans come in and demand the IP be completely changed, re-written, killed, rebooted and whatever the fck to appeal to them instead of the damn fckers who have supported it since forver. Let's remove all of it's identity.

Like let's reboot God of WAr into fckn Last of Us.
Who needs Tomb Raiding in fckn Tomb Raider, let's make it a linear shooter uncharted clone.

Let's make the fckn Stealth action game known for linear story with open worlds to tie missions together into an Open World choice based shag who you want RPG!! BRILLIANT FCKN IDEA!!

Agreed on them making a new RPG IP. Instead of being tied bound by the limits of Assassins Creed.
 

Paul_cz

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I admit I don't give a single flying (or nonflying) fuck about AC lore. It has always been uninteresting tripe to me.
I would love it if Ubisoft killed the IP and instead made a new RPG IP totally unencumbered by the AC lore/tropes/staples.
-_- Always nice when non fans come in and demand the IP be completely changed, re-written, killed, rebooted and whatever the fck to appeal to them instead of the damn fckers who have supported it since forver. Let's remove all of it's identity.

Like let's reboot God of WAr into fckn Last of Us.
Who needs Tomb Raiding in fckn Tomb Raider, let's make it a linear shooter uncharted clone.

Let's make the fckn Stealth action game known for linear story with open worlds to tie missions together into an Open World choice based shag who you want RPG!! BRILLIANT FCKN IDEA!!

Agreed on them making a new RPG IP. Instead of being tied bound by the limits of Assassins Creed.
Haha, fuck off. I have been playing AC games since 2007's original and own (and finish) them all except the mobile nonsense. I liked them fine enough, mostly for the tourism porn and atmosphere. I found the animus gimmick unnecessary from the start - would have preferred if they were straight up historical games - although I admit the present day storyline was sorta neat during the Desmond days, but since then it is worthless spinning-the-wheels nonsense that only hurts the enjoyment anyway.
TO ME. I have no problem with you thinking otherwise.

Glad we agree on best solution being them making new RPG IP.
But even with AC, I would still prefer RPG AC over action adventure AC. Although Odyssey is very flawed/base RPG.
 
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Buddy just gave me a key for this and I haven't played an asscream since the very first. I hope this is at least Witcher-tier for button mashing action RPG play.
 

Paul_cz

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so it plays worse than Witcher 3? Doubtful from what I played in origins.
About the same, although I find TW3 combat slightly more varied. On the other hand AC has possibilities (very basic) for stealth.
I meant more from narrative perspective though. Quests/characters are vastly better in TW3.
 
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Nowhere near, but still fun.
Well, hopefully. The weird thing is I can enjoy some low-budget ARPG nonsense like Spiders games with shit like Mars War Logs, but that's both shorter and they do a bit more off the wall stuff than what I expect out of this. I'm probably just being a contrarian piece of shit and it'll be fun.
 

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if they never had children then the entire story would fall apart

In game?

What. No.

How? Why. What? No.

If it is crucial to the story (which it isn't) then mr/mrs protagonist is assumed to have had children offscreen. Also you speak as if the story holds water in any way shape or form and shouldn't be taken out back behind the shed and shot already.

Everything about the meta-story makes the story fall apart. It's a multichromosome mess.

So the game story is torn in order to shiv in a completely unnecessary plot device into a meta-story which is retarded beyond human comprehension, and has in effect absolutely nothing to do with anything and is universally despised and derided (except people with danger hair and asscreed megatards)

AC:Odyssey is a game which goes into epileptic seizures every time the "meta story" touches it. The meta story is the cancer of the series and should be rightly excised with haste and complete prejudice.

For the most part in human history, "gay" (which is the wrong term anyway) people used to have kids, because having kids was indeed the "default state of an adult".

I'm no fan of the gay agenda, but I'll ride their coattail on this matter. I hate being railroaded into a fanfiction by 3rd rate DLC writers.

To put it another way. If I was playing a PnP game and the DM suddenly introduces a girl to the story and demands my character falls in love with her and has a kid with her... who is then playing the goddam game? Me or the DM?

I found this comment to be sensible: "Ubisoft has a story to tell and it relies on the protagonist having a child. It's not possible to provide full player agency and tell a meaningful and coherent story as everyone will want to do things differently, some things just have to be in order for the story to continue." In my opinion, it is fair to criticize the DLC's storyline as being hackneyed but not fair to compare it to corrective rape.

Good grief, full player agency? You can't be serious.

How about any player agency. Not full, not unlimited, but *any*.

To add to that, the line about this being something that has to be done in order to tell a "meaningful and coherent story" is just vomit-inducing drivel. Nothing about that DLC story was "meaningful".

If these people can't tell a story without relying on crutches like this, and any decent DM can, perhaps they're not in the right business and should be writing gas-station paperbacks instead of higher art.
 
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DeepOcean

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"In the new DLC, you are forced to have a baby with another character, unlocking the Achievement ‘Growing Up’. Not only does this suggest having a child is the default state of an adult – some end goal to aspire to – it also undermines anyone who has thus far roleplayed as a gay character. According to one redditor, they refused the character’s advances and sent them on their way, but they still ended up having a child."
Bunch of cat ladies are pissed.
 

DeepOcean

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Ass Creed games stories after Ass Creed 2 are the worst garbage human beings could type, I honestly wonder if Ass Creed writers have some kind of mental disability to be that stupid, so no, high art my ass.
 

jf8350143

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They just said they will change the cut scenes to "make the nature of relationship more clear".

The cutscene itself is stupid in the first place because it make your protragnist crying over a letter because you clearly love someone you just met for several days at most so much.
 

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