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KickStarter ATOM RPG - Wasteland Soviet style! - now with Dead City update

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Atomboy, Oct 1, 2016.

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Will you back?

Poll closed Nov 28, 2017.
  1. I will consider it!

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  2. No! I would never!..

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  3. kingcomrade

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  1. jackofshadows Learned

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    Eh, by listening complains like this devs added KRZ catacombs criminal quest chain - there's plenty of free loot and a rusty gun shop.

    But searching for opportunities is what defines a player in a such open game like this. At the very least there's always a possibility to farm some bandits, sell shit and buy almost anything necessary in KRZ. It's not particulary fun gameplay but it is kinda mandatory on expert/survival anyway.
     
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  2. onemananadhisdroid Augur

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    As I'm grinding for loot and ca$h -- is grinding for levels on this game actually worthwile? As far as I understand it, enemies don't scale as such. There are easier and harder enemies for each area, and their composition never changes. What changes is the % of meeting the harder enemies of an area in random encounters, the higher level you have. https://steamcommunity.com/app/552620/discussions/1/1744480966994850234/

    Furthermore, is it true that later on you'd absolutely need speechraft of 100+ to progress the story (Dead City area)?
     
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  3. jackofshadows Learned

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    Definitely. First and foremost, you get HP. Even when you playing not on the highest difficulty(i.e. ironman), the ability to survive long array of bullets from PK machine gun for example or a few crazy critical hits in a row is always nice. Second, while there's substantial random in the wasteland, all quest and story encounters are set and doesn't scale. Do the math. Third - you need perks after all.
    It's a false assumption, based on
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    not doing mushroom questline and stumbling on their squad in the DC. In that case, only high speech check allows to proceed peacefully
     
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  4. onemananadhisdroid Augur

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    Thanks, man! My experience with this fine game is a bit shaped by the fact that apparently my build seems recommended for experienced players of this already. Basically, it's a muscle brute Lone Wolf with a focus on melee (primarily fists, but also weapons) with no much speech etc. skills to speak of (srvival, first aid, and stuff though). Thought it'd be something different for a change. :D

    On New Vegas when I had build a similar character he was ridiculously powerful.
     
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  5. jackofshadows Learned

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    I've just finished sniper/SMG run. Well, mostly it was just a pistols/SMG/knuckles run since I
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    abused the shit out of oblivion potion and used it only on 21 level before the very end
    I'd like to go full melee here but problem is - wanna some dedicated perks for it as well as devensive ones which is impossible. I hope there will be plenty of encounters in Trudograd with much relaxed perk tree so it would be possible to realize my desire there.
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    There's a lot of drugs so base line (bonus points from traits included) is 7(more for import purpose since there'll be no training bonus anymore probably) 6 10 8 7 1 (don't care much about dialogues in a TG) 10 and defensive perks root (praetorian, master shield etc)
     
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    What does the tattoos give you? I never got any because it's degenerate
     
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  7. Commissar Draco Codexia Comrade Colonel Commissar Patron

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    They give you small bonuses nothing big really but wings are +1 Dex. Of course they are also not degenerate options there like ATOM (+5 to automatic weapons) and Mama (+5 to hand to hand) fit for true Soviet Step warrior. :majordecline:
     
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    oh I could kill for that one
     
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  9. onemananadhisdroid Augur

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    I'm actually at one of those points now. Naturally, no speechcraft. And as that lone melee brute. It's either back to grinding some more or something else, perhaps getting a couple of companions just for that
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    . Could work, couldn't it? :D *fabulouslyoptimistic*

    Btw, dodging seems woefully undercooked in comparison to just getting the biggest armor you can get. It seems much easier to do it all with that heavy dodge penalty from wearing heavy armor, as opposed to not having any real DR.
     
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    and so the degeneracy claims another victim
     
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  11. jackofshadows Learned

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    It's kinda tough but doable with
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    just a bunch of grenades and on drugs, plus all END buffs naturally. Did it today this way on 20 lvl with 0 defensive perks (before respec), pistols but with top armor/helmet and bzt-75 though

    I agree, DR/DT is more important but dodge lowers crit chance receiving, at least to some degree which is worth something.
     
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  12. onemananadhisdroid Augur

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    I've found another way in finishing the piglet quest. Not sure if I had missed it before, but there was still a dialogue option… That means I'm
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    on a mission of the Cult myself, so the guys won't attack me.
    Don't think I'd be able to kill them now anyways alone in melee (level 15 to boot).
     
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    Hoe 4 Life?
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  14. jackofshadows Learned

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    Sykar yup, since I dumped cha, why not to expect some extra-wackiness from time to time? Hope that devs will not forget about it in the expansion.
     
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    don't know why but this animation has a very fallouty vibe to it
     
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  16. onemananadhisdroid Augur

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    If one day the devs would like to move away from being so scarily close to Fallout-vibes, then Dead City may be the way to go. That section is brief, but it's basically Stalker RPG.

    That said: DUDE, that last group Encounter. Always fun if enemies can one-shot you; plus if there's several of those. As a lone melee only brute, you're pretty much screwed. For fun I even tried what would happen if I would cheat and give my char like 250-300 HP, same outcome. I know there's ways by now, but honestly, most of them sound like cheesing the game / its AI. I had tried to lure them one after one into one of the rooms already myself, for instance, as in the open you don't stand a chance anyhow. My char has the "quick reaction" skill too, so basically gets two rounds in one (one with 50% of the AP).

    Also, what is that Strength skill check for (have it maxed out) if you end up fighting anyways?

    Game mostly wasn't hard, it's just some isolated encounters, the
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    if you're playing solo melee like me being another. If he gets to fire, you're screwed, so you have to crush him before he can. But he's alone… those guys aren't. :salute:
     
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  17. jackofshadows Learned

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    This encounter basically is next to impossible w/o perk 'thinking like the enemy'. With it though it becomes ridiculously easy: opponents simply run out of ammo after a few rounds, surround you and starting to kick desperately while you're executing them.
     
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  18. Monolith Cipher

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    I got it recently and was totally put off by the atrocious writing. Unnecessarily verbous and very much Russian English.

    Does it get better further into the game? I felt a slight Fallout itch but couldn't keep myself focused on it for too long.
     
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  19. GloomFrost Arbiter

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    The writing is not going to get much better. If it really puts you off that much you might as well drop it now. But they did make it a bit better in Trudograd so you might want to check it out.
     
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    Damn. Working with Russians on a daily basis, getting bombed by E-Mails with the same style all day long, I cannot take more of it in my time off.

    I wanted to learn Russian though, so perhaps that's a good opportunity. Worked for Polish and Witcher 1, although I had a strong basis there already.
     
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  21. Yaar Podshipnik Arcane Patron

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    Russian is a great language to learn. Just don't expect much stuff to transfer from Polish, some of the similarities are deceiving.
    During my teenage years, the circumstances forced me to learn it, initially hated it, but then started to really love it. One tiny little bit of unsolicited advice: don't throw yourself into reading the great works of Russian literature while you're learning, most of them are super fucking long and not that good from modern perspective. One exception is short stories by Chekhov, read those. And there's some really nice sci-fi in Russian, including a super old, bit commie Aelita. Also, tons of interesting Fallout mods (Nevada, Sonora, Olympus) that are way better in Russian than English.
     
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  22. jackofshadows Learned

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    Problem is it's even worse on Russian in my opinion so don't get your hopes up regarding ATOM. But you can play the game differently and skip most of dialogue, focus on MQ and get XP by killing random bandits and getting gear in Peregon, there're always caravan traders, you can just wait and they'll refresh over and over.
     
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  23. Krivol Liturgist

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    Great game! I just wanted to comment here to be updated - I'm playing it right now and loving it !
     
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  24. track02 Novice

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    I've started again after making a few failed builds months (years?) ago when the game was initially released
    Trying martial arts, and I've gone for the perks/talents that let you wear heavy armour first (mean to pick up the shield one next) and this is great since I don't get instantly one-shotted but my damage is suffering against the now more common armoured enemies even with maxed MA

    Have I goofed again? I feel like it'll be ages before I can even make a dent towards getting some of the damage focused melee talents
     
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  25. flushfire Augur

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    Don't go unarmed. Use martial weapons. The 2nd best one is craftable pretty early.
     
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