Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate III by Larian Studios - Early Access announcement on June 13th

So they cut most what of makes computer RPGs interesting...

Might be good for tabletop. Computers have higher computation power though...
Plus personally I enjoy character building puzzles immensely.

 

It still allows you to make 1 HP mage, specialize in weapon that barely exist in the game or make warrior who is unable to wear a metal armor due to its weight.

Much better than "we should remove all ability scores penalties and drastically limit bonuses to avoid making our players sad farther into campaign" approach of 5e.

 

It does allow you to do that but why would anyone do it? There's a trick with 1 HP mage but that's a Bioware thing. I'm not sure where this obsession with bad builds comes from.

 

It is less about Bad Builds and more about Freedom of Failure that was systematically weeded out of any "popular" RPGs that hope to attract casual crowd alike to PnP's drama clubs.

 

Swear to god people who genuinely think they are smart for being able to beat a single-player video game are the most sadcringe people. It's not difficult to beat Pathfinder on the highest difficulty or Dark Souls, or whichever old/new game you want to pick as a metric for challenge. It's just a question of how much time are you willing to spend to learn the system. I can appreciate a competitive FPS/RTS/MOBA player that's in the top 1% of their game but at least they have made a successful career at it and are making a living of it.

 

I don't understand why he's mad at me. I'm elevating the BG franchise to new heights and correct the mistakes of the past by turning to real D&D with TB gameplay. When I'm finished with BGIII, nobody will care anymore about BGII. I am the king of CRPG's.

 

Exactly! I enjoy learning the systems and optimizing the shit out of them in the consequent replays.

So nothing annoys me more than a system designed around "no need to learn, good guys from WotC already optimized everything for you, so choose your flavor of cool and go, show off your creativity!".

 

Actually it's BioWare that used the trademark for something unrelated since BG2 was not set anywhere near Baldur's Gate.

 

this is the RPG equivalent of a nanny state
"We're too incompetent to use this properly therefore you are too so we got rid of it"

 

You know you can do all that even with D&D 5, right?

You can create a Wizard with 3 in Constitution, so that you start with 2 hit points on level 1 and barely gain any additional hit points levelling up. Having 20 hit points at level 20 is exactly like having 1.

You can specialize in a weapon that barely exists: you just need to use that weapon. Since it's a "flavor" thing that doesn't impact rules, your weapon of choice can be anything.

You can make a warrior who is unable to wear a metal armor due to its weight: you just need to make a warrior who's Strength score doesn't allow him to wear heavy armors.

 

Don't be silly. 5D is perfect!

Everyone starts with 10 in all stats, and you can call yourself whatever you want, but you will do 1d4 damage at 1st level, 1d6 at 4th and 1 size increase every 4 levels thereafter. Your skills are whatever you want them to be. The best part is that everyone will have whatever skills they want as well! Isn't that great... and FAIR??? Can't argue against being FAIR, right?




REEEEEEE!!!!

 

More like newb traps that you'll avoid on your second character already. PnP doesn't work like a video game, if the players have created sub-optimal builds (or selected bad classes) the DM will adapt the campaign to suit their characters. There is no such thing in a video game and that's why balance is so difficult. Do you balance the game around the worst possible builds or the best possible builds? Something in the middle? Which middle? etc. You can't talk about bad builds in a PnP context the same was as in a video game.

 

There are DM s like that? O_O

 

Putting a troll face after every post doesn't automatically make you clever or cheeky or some master troll. It just makes you an idiot that's too afraid to commit to what you're saying.

No but there's a way to stop you from being bugged by it. It's called not being a bitch

It's not about how hard the game is or how many people are able to beat it or how smart it makes you. You're right in the how much time and effort you're willing to put in part though and the game making you learn it's system is good. It's also about mechanics that don't baby you and hold you accountable. I want to play a game that requires me to learn and then expects me to apply that knowledge in interesting ways rather than teach me then do it for me anyways. I also want the mechanics to set up a challenge for me and make me solve them, not just be there in the background. Pikmin is a child's game about collecting fruit and it's more hardcore than most of these games.

 

If there are such players, why would not there be matching DMs?
It all depends on how you play your tabletop games.
For some groups it's always a challenge between DM and players. But if you're not into munchki.. minmaxing and optimization, what are you doing in such a group?
And for others it a shared adventure, not a survival of a fittest test, so it would only be natural if DM seeing his players created 1-hp mages and weak-for-armor fighters, won't send them fighting the Tarrasque right away, but instead lead them on a "bring a cat down from a tree" epic quest or something like that.

 

I'd rather find a gm that would crush me for making such a stupid decision. The problem with dnd is permanently killing someone is too big of a deal so DMs are afraid to do it too much. Nobody wants to put in that much preparation just to have it all go to waste. At least that was my experience when I played table top for a while.

 

I have killed level 1 characters for cornering an innocent bear in her cave for no reason other than "He won't kill us! Ecks-pee!!!"

Suck brown bear and die, idiot.

 

By the way, I wonder how Larian will deal with the difficulty options. In DOS1/2 they chose rather clumsy approach, which is still kinda worked (for a while).

They cannot simply bloat enemies here since it's DnD but they will probably just add more or them for most encounters.

 

Why not? Some dumb cunts did it for cuckfinder:bloatmaker.

 

Heh, I decided to check if you even could specialize in weapon in 5e. Like, get some attack bonus or damage when using Longswords, for example. And... Nope!

I admit my sources are pretty limited, but from what I've seen you just get a bunch of class weapon you are proficient with and could add some with feats and that is it.
Only feat (and feats are optional rule) that allows you to wield some particular weapon better is:

Polearm Master - You can make an extra attack with a polearm weapon, and make an opportunity attack if a creature enter your reach.
And it stands out in the rules like a sore thumb. I guess some designer for 5e really liked his pointy sticks.

Same with skill points. They were completely axed. Just choose 2-3 things from your class list you are good at. And character will always get a bonus depending his character level to the rolls.

 

DOS1 & 2 are some of the few RPGs where the hardest difficulty(tactician) includes rebalanced encounters and improved AI

 

Good.

— ENWorld, Q&A with Gary Gygax part 4, 2003

 

Actually Larian is *very* enthusiastic about addition, but I think their other games will do a better job indulging you.

And if you just have a plus sign fetish, then don't worry - those will be in 'cause DnD.

 

Also on this list: pillars of eternity.

 

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