Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate III by Larian Studios - it's turn-based and isometric, folks

I'm enjoying this thread because when I first joined in 2005 everyone called Baldur's Gate dog shit. Now everyone is ragging on BG3 because it won't be as good as 1 and 2. I can't wait until 2030 when BG4 comes out and everyone thinks it'll suck and not be as good at part 1,2 and 3.

 

No shit.

Read "Your stat/skill choices don't matter. This game will allow you to use your health bar to surpass any skill check or encounter". Ain't it grand? Now I don't have to worry about menial tasks such as character building anymore. Much better because it adds immersum to muh freedom!

 

You got us. RTwP is basically Track & Field Coin-op.

Get back to us when you learn how RTwP works (there's a whole list of Autopause options for a reason).

Until then all you're doing is beclowning yourselves by demonstrating to the world how much you suck at RTwP and how big a sucker you are to think strawmen and logical fallacies are going to convince anyone.

You're among Testosterone-addled autists here, not Estrogen-clouded eunuchs.

 

Next time quote the entire fucking post.

Also, yeah, painting exists because of technical limitations. For example the main limitations of fotography are its inability of capturing stuff that exists only in artist's head and narrow range of supported art styles.

Problem?

 

Wrong. You have physical stats and skills. Bloodbuff can give more DEX but not lockpicking skill. Takes a lot of blood, can't be used everywhere and points to upgrade it.

 

You are living in an imaginary world nobody is advocating for.

All challenge ratings have been lowered to accommodate the lowered max lvl of 20.

 

It may be instructive to consider how it was that TB itself arose/why it is that some prefer PnP to fighting with wood/foam swords and popguns. The same logic can be applied to making use of the available technology to allow moves to unfold simultaneously rather than sequentially, as they do perforce in PnP due to, yes, technical limitations.

 

Indeed, this is the heart of TB play. Imagine how much more interesting it would be if one had to account for the enemy jumping into the middle of your OODA-loop instead of mommy riding in on her helicopter and casting Time Stop for you.

 

What if i already know what i would do? And already failed on the encounter before? Should i keep watching the same animation for the 666ºth time? Imagine a pathfinder necromancer who raised 6 Thanadaemons, 18 soul eaters, 6 graveknight, and 36 animated skeletons, watching each one of his minion taking his turn...

 

Are people really defending RTwP over TB? I love BG1+2 as much as the next guy and I've sunk a lot of hours in them but never have I been thinking that TB would've made them worse.

 

Yes. Yes it would.

 

Imagine animate dead on original(non enhanced edition) + turn based. Hours long encounters...

 

All summons could act at the same time in a turn, like marquee selection that shit and right click. If there's a will, there's a way.

 

a party of 4 lvl 10 in 5e can face an adult green dragon, deadly ecounter (Doable in 5e a decent fight is generally ranked Deadly by the CR calculation in particular a boss fight).

With proper gear and some "extra power from plot reason" even a red adult is doable.

So only the ancient tier of dragons is out of the league for a party of lvl 10.

Sidenote: an adult green dragon is an easy ecounter for a party of 6 lvl 10 character, yes the difference between a party of 4 and a party of 6 is insane in 5e.

A party of 6 lvl 10 need to fight an ancient green dragon for a deadly fight.

 

Oh i do know that,i was talking generally. I really love how MM7 let you spend 30 minutes fighting a red dragon at level 1-4 . But speaking about dragons and larian.....lol it is fabulously optimistic from us to believe that we won't fight a dragon. Larain is all about that flash and not about the substance.

Nigaa are you fucking pretending or what?

 

I do agree mate,passage of time is an amazing thing. Seeing things chance during your life span.....is a terrifying thing,yet strangely amusing.

 

Which just goes to show how the game is garbage. Let’s call this the turn-based rule:

If a cRPG becomes unplayable with the addition of turn-based combat, it is poorly designed.

There are plenty of reasons for that, including poor encounter design and trash mobs that have no other purpose beyond filling maps.

 

Yes, that's the whole point. You can enjoy the combat more instead of making it look like an action movie with little or no player input. Maybe that's the whole reason that motivates this debate. RTwP supporters really dislike combat and want it to end really fast. They want the pretense of enjoying tactics and strategy. Turn-based supporters, on the other hand, actually enjoy it.

 

I really don't get you guys,i too like TB games. If you were all "I prefer TB because i am getting old and can't keep up ",i will be all brofist and friendly like. There is no real reason to come up with all those weak strawman arguments.

 

Well, there are already people who seemingly unironically enjoy D:OS/2.
So...
I think we're already there.

 

That's not good enough. You have to understand why you enjoy TB combat in the first place. Any cogent reason will be incompatible with RTwP. And what strawman? There is nothing under the sun to make RTwP look even remotely justifiable.

 

Baldur's Gate shit? Impossible, according to the only raking that matters: https://lilura1.blogspot.com/2019/10/RPG-Rankings-Top-10-Best-PC-RPGs-of-All-Time.html

 

Do you think this is bad? Some people here were saying that PoE was grounded in comparison to Deadfire. Imagine making a sequel that makes PoE look good in the space of a few years. That's a tangible decline. You can almost taste it.

 

No, i just think that for large scale combat, RtWP is better. For smaller scale, turn based.

And is not that we don't like combat, is just that combat needs to be fast to be impactful. A generic wow clone mmo where 64 players is spamming the same rotation for 30 minutes to kill a boss is not fun. A 3 minute boss fight on dark souls is fun. If the combat is too long, it loses the weight. This is why bullet spongee enemies are really bad and kills games like Oblivion.

Carnavalesque armor, cooldowns, archers that can't hit a elephant at 14m, only number inflation progression, dumb armor system(...)

 

Once you realize that Lilura will never want anything with you in real life and that she is probably a dude, you will free your mind and see xir numerous flaws.