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KickStarter BATTLETECH - turn-based mech combat from Harebrained Schemes - Flashpoint expansion coming November

Discussion in 'Tactical Gaming' started by Infinitron, Apr 24, 2018.

  1. Beastro Arcane

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    Space Marines are actually more akin to what I was thinking about with regard to the central role knights played and how prestigious their position was in European warfare despite being one of many tools in a Medieval military leaders box.
     
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  2. Bohr Arbiter

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    Some bugs are lulzy enough that they should be left in


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  3. PanteraNera Savant

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    Maybe, honest question: wasn't Kiva the "Lead Designer" of Battletech. If so, didn't Kiva had a saying in the story?

    All fair and sound, my gripe is not that it has less text than Shadowrun: Hong Kong or Dragonfall. Or that it is not an RPG.
    My gripe is that the story is really really REALLY bad, bad character designs (one dimensional), bad story arc, boring story, story parts that make no sense.

    Reading that tweets that got posted here from the 2D artist are just, infuriating!
     
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  4. Cael Ask me about Pathfinder Dumbfuck Edgy

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    It is not Kevin's fault because he gave Shillatron a free game. You should know that by now, dude.

    And yes, as project lead, he has ultimate responsibility and blame. Same with any project lead.

    I guess he was more interested in giving jobs to his alphabet soup caricature mates than actually wanting to do a good job at his job.
     
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  5. Cael Ask me about Pathfinder Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Now I am getting mental pictures of a tank turret falling down from the sky and swishing a car with cartoony crushing sounds and car bits flying everywhere... There goes the steering wheel!

    The Monty Python crowd would be proud of these guys. They are to BTech what The Holy Grail was to Le Morte d'Arthur.
     
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  6. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Lead Designers don't do everything in a game. For example the lead designer of PoE2 is Bobby Null and most Codexers probably don't know who that is. He wasn't in charge.

    The Project Lead of BattleTech was Mike McCain.
     
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  7. ArchAngel Magister

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    Inflamatron defending his tranny girlfriend, how cute :hug:
     
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  8. Cael Ask me about Pathfinder Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Well, then. According to Infinishill, Kevin is completely blameless in everything because he is just a title with no responsibilities. It is ALWAYS someone else.

    What a cushy job. I wonder who Kevin had to fuck to get that one.
     
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  9. Mark Richard Prophet

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    Listen to Infinitron before you embarrass yourselves. Truth is no one knows what many games industry jobs entail, how far their responsibilities reach, or even if there's any consistency across different studios. Office environments love bestowing generic self-important titles. Cael, how would you like to be Assistant Director of Executive Services here at the Codex? ArchAngel can be Senior Adviser, PanteraNera can be Senior Coordinator, and I'll be the Lead Administrative Analyst alongside 17 other leads.
     
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  10. Fredward Educated

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    Haven't finished the story yet but I was wondering whether Victoria didn't have her brain fucked with like with what happened to Otto. The writers clearly weren't unaware of how she came across, you even have the option of telling her she sounds like a cartoon villain. It'd explain her having the complexity of a pitbull but it's probably not a justifiable inference based off the content we have.

    Kamea and Mastiff are also writ EXTREMELY LARGE though so maybe its a creative choice cuz it's not something the other characters share.

    I'm also irked by the overuse of italics people don't speak like this.

    SR:HK took the stage direction a bit far sometimes but it was definitely preferable.
     
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  11. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    It seems clear to me that Kiva Maginn had an outsized influence on this game, but being some kind of BattleTech lore nerd, I think if anything he would have been pushing to make the story more complex.

    Mitch Gitelman is a former AAA guy, a man who was hated for years for his role on the 2007 Shadowrun console game - making BattleTech's story a dumbed down fairy tale is totally him.
     
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  12. Galdred Studio Draconis Patron Developer

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    It is impossible to know who was responsible for what in such a large team, except the ones at the top, who called the shot or appointed people.
    I met some teams whose lead designer was an intern, so the exact responsibilities can vary a lot depending on the team.
     
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  13. Cael Ask me about Pathfinder Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Stop trying to make me laugh. You are not even close to being funny enough.

    If it means working with bullies like Infinishill, I reject the offer with extreme prejudice.
     
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  14. almondblight Arcane

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    McCain is listed as "Game Director, Art Director." But there are 5 people listed as project leads.
     
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  15. InD_ImaginE Savant

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    Jesus guys. Everybody and their mother know that MECH of anykind will not be the war vehicle of the future. People like it because it is COOL not because it makes sense or someshit.

    Realistic wars in any future will done by 10 meter cubic metal boxes having 4 missiles each controlled by nerd thousand of feet away, or even automatically controlled by AI through machine learning or someshit. And the counter to that is most likely another 10 meter cubic metal boxes also having 4 missiles each also controlled by nerd thousand of feet away or more likely will be automatically controlled by AI through machine learning.

    Its the most boring shit ever. Now leave me and my mech fantasy alone.
     
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  16. Cael Ask me about Pathfinder Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Under "Design & Writing". The Lead is Shillarytron's best butt buddy. The initial call to put the blame on Kevin was correct as he is project lead for writing.
     
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  17. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    I was using "Project Lead" as a synonym of "Game Director". He's the boss of the project, in theory. But yes, none of those other leads was Maginn either. :M
     
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  18. Cael Ask me about Pathfinder Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Gotta love the ducking and jiving.

    Obviously, certain people don't know how complex projects with multiple workstreams tend to be run. It is actually all there in the credits, neatly divided into different sections, each with its project/team lead. But... it is not their fault, according to Shillarytron. Truly Shillarytron's idea of how a project is run means that the leads of different teams within the project has absolutely no responsibility or accountability for their team's performance in achieving its goals. The blame lies with the programme director instead.

    What a great new method of project management that has been revealed to us. We must call up every university we know and reveal to them this new and incredible project management methodology! Forget RACI charts. Forget PMBOK or PRINCE2 or Agile or any other project methodology you know or have heard of! We should all convert to the Infinitron-HBS (I-HBS) methodology! It is the best thing ever because it doesn't matter what you do or how you perform, the guy up top is the one getting it up the arse! BRILLIANT! How could such a superbly intelligent method fail?
     
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  19. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Soooo the faggot tranny boss of a story driven game doesn't know what is going on with story and just stamps random shit.....yeah and mysteriously turns out a faggot tranny game.
     
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  20. Bohr Arbiter

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    Callyste's portraits are certainly an improvement on some of the existing ones (and there's a Frank Castle in there)
     
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  21. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    :roll: As if IE games don't have free voice choice in character creation.
     
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  22. ArchAngel Magister

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    So the new 1.03 patch is downloading for me. Half of the patch notes are some achievement fixes. It is nice to see that Inflamatron's girlfriend knows what is the priority
    Show Spoiler
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  23. almondblight Arcane

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    Not sure why you think that, I seriously doubt McCain is overriding Gitelman, since Gitelman is his boss (the studio was founded by Jordan and Gitelman). Jordan, his other boss, is Executive Producer. Executive Producer makes it sound like Jordan wasn't _too_ involved, but then again Gitelman was Executive Producer on SR:HK, where he was one of the co-Directors (and Jordan has acted like he's been pretty involved in Battletech). I don't know how involved Chris Klimecky (listed as "Lead Producer") was, though it's worth noting he was a producer for HK but not Dragonfall.
     
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  24. imweasel Arcane

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    Good to know I made the right decision by selling my kickstarter backer key on Ebay (for a small profit even). Fuck these SJW cucks.

    No more Jew Gold for these Jews.
    :keepmyjewgold:
     
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  25. Bohr Arbiter

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    Because I know Cael appreciates these:

     
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