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Bethesda's Fallout game, not named "Fallout 3"

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Jaesun, Apr 4, 2007.

  1. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    It screwed the lore. There were things in it that didn't really fit into the universe established by the original Fallouts.


    I also strongly believe Fallout 3 won't give a shit about the previous lore. Oblivion also didn't give a shit about previous lore. It just needs to be "cool", not be true to the setting.
     
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  2. Delirious Nomad Scholar

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  3. Section8 Erudite

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    I don't get Bethesda Logic. "Let's buy commercial licenses with rabid, unyielding fanbases who epitomise everything the casual gamer is not, and then make games that aren't for them!"
     
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  4. Zomg Arbiter

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    Why are they making energy drinks with the names of sodas from the '80s?
     
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  5. Texas Red Whiner

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    Stop the press! How about Oblivion sodas and T-shirts, Todd's Potato Chips and other TES merchandice? This is gold, pure gold!
     
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  6. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    They could make a fortune selling simple porridge as nirnroots.
     
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  7. taxacaria Scholar

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    An interesting question. It looks like Bethesda has bought the Fallout franchise without thinking about possible fan based problems. I'd call it mismanagement.
    Pete's comments "some people will hate it" are a novum in gaming industry marketing.
    Why making a game which people, especially Fallout fans, will hate?
    An "Oblivion with guns" is easier to sell without such Fallout franchise troubles.
    So the franchise isn't advertising, it will be a drag.
     
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  8. ViolentOpposition Arcane

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    That's true. But like I said does it really matter if it wasn't aiming to be 100% faithful to Fallout anyway? Unless they said that it'd be faithful to the Fallout universe? Then, yes, it'd be wrong.
     
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  9. Kingston Arcane

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    It'll be fun though, when Beth announces the real-time fps Fallout 3 because Fallout fans could really be a fucking pain.

    I can already see the hundreds of rant topics at the Bethseda forums, the disguised tubgirl links, the esf fanbois crying their eyes out... Yes, TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL!
     
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  10. Drakron Arcane

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    I like to take stupid things apart.

    Neither was any of Bethsoft developed games before Morrowind.

    Well it seems Canada was relocated to outside Earth then since I take BioWare as being more successful.

    What stupid comment.

    I give you this evidence:

    Silent Hill 4: The room started development not as a Silent Hill title and only became Silent Hill 4 because someone in Konami panicked and forced the slapping of Silent Hill 4 to boost sales.

    New IPs sell less that established IPs ... any freaking idiot with half a brain cell knows that, that is the reason why every year we get all those "movie:The game" since they sell despite the (usually lack of) quality.

    Too bad there was another Fallout title in consoles and did poorly, even even if I do believe Bethsoft will not use "Fallout 3" I will not be surprised they do it to get away from "Fallout:Brotherhood of Steel" association.

    What games?

    Oh you mean that once every 5 years Elder Scrolls title they come out with since that is pretty much what Bethsoft actually DOES, they publish more games but that "publishing" is a bit different that "making".

    And here we see the utter idiocy of gaming journalism.

    I already pointed out that new IPs do not move that many units, established IPs however do and just because Fallout was not a big seller in the 90's does not mean the name have no value, it does and Bethsoft is certainly going to cash in on that.

    Bethsoft is also going to cash in on the fact gaming journalists are usually idiots and will even go as far as saying Bethsoft CREATED Fallout (yes, they can be as stupid) and after seeing how almost nobody pointed out the glaring flaws of Oblivion ... well ...

    Better still we have Star Trek as a example, they got the rights and even if they did not develop in-house they certainly followed up what were the gender ST games had more success with the results we all seen.

    Could that NOT be said the same? that Bethsoft "loved Star Trek and loved to play it on a sandbox".

    I sooner trust the word of a member of the Bush Administration that of a gaming jornalist ...
     
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  11. dagorkan Arbiter

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    Fallout: Tactics was not meant to continue the series, faggot. It had a totally different focus and a new 'sub-franchise'. It was a strategy game and a pretty decent one. Strategy games don't give a shit about 'lore'. It's about shooting mutants in kewl power-armor.

    It's like somebody saying WoW destroyed the Warcraft series or X-Com:Interceptor destroyed the X-Com series...
     
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  12. kingcomrade Kingcomrade Edgy

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    Which your character can wear and consume in-game (+99 bonus to all stats!)! All for $4.99
     
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  13. Lumpy Arcane

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    http://www.oblivionstore.com/sunriseidc ... efault.asp
     
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  14. kingcomrade Kingcomrade Edgy

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    A T-Shirt with just the word Rumors on it would be kinda funny in a way that isn't really funny but instead incredibly dorky.
     
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  15. 7th Circle Scholar

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    It's a calculated risk.

    Fallout has a reputation for being an old-school RPG but among those who publicly say it was a great RPG, I reckon that there are quite a few people who:
    • - never really played it.
      - played it but didn't really like it that much.
    These people would like to be able to play "a Fallout" to show that they too "like real RPGs" (just got a horrible vision of the post-Fallout 3 Bethsoft fanboy invasion...but that's another story...). However, since they don't actually like RPGs, Fallout: Oblivion will be perfect for them.

    Now, tbh, I don't think there is enough of these individuals to drown out the Fallout fanbase mainly because of how vocal NMA etc are. However, Bethesda's real target is the gaming journalists (for lack of a better term...) whofall into one of these two categories.

    Fallout is being targeted so that is dumbed down enough to engage the masses but still has some street cred (as being sophisticated) with the mainstream gaming sites. Combined with some graphic whoredom and exceptional reviews are in the bag already.

    I also think that Bethesda assumes that many of the Fallout fanbase will buy the game anyway...if only so they can whinge about how yet another company screwed over Fallout. The point being that, to Bethesda, a sale is a sale.

    Of course, it might just be that Hines is a masochist...
     
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  16. Mr.E Novice

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    I'd suppose you'd rather they call it Fallout 360...

    A name is a name, and it has very little to do with how the game will be received. Calling it Fallout 3, or any other name, does not make Bethesda any more or less likely to have the proverbial caca tossed at them by rabid fans, regardless of how poor or how good the game may turn out.
     
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  17. Section8 Erudite

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    But wait, who are they proving their RPG cred to? The fucking Codex? Liking RPGs doesn't make you cool in anyone's books, so why try to prove the point?

    Anyone "sophisticated" enough to appreciate Fallout's finer points is invariably cynical enough to see through the litany of falsehood that is the gaming media. The gaming media are pretty much willing to lap any triple A title up, and offer excessive praise regardless of the intellectual property involved. It's all about who, and not about what. Bethesda, Bioware, Blizzard, id Software, Rockstar, et al could release a turd in a box and still get 110% review scores.

    Maybe that's true, and maybe they're right. I like to believe Fallout fans have more fuckign sense than that, but hey, I'm sure battered wives who stand by their fuckbag husbands are otherwise rational and sensible people.
     
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  18. stargelman Scholar

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    See, there's your problem right there. The believe that you just have to sit out the current situation with Bethesda having the rights to all (single player) things Fallout, and that eventually, someone else (better) will come along to make a proper Fallout title again.

    What you don't get is that Bethesda will keep the rights, unless they go bankrupt. And considering they're making games with considerable mass appeal now, that seems rather unlikely. Sure, we don't like their games, but other people do. People that shove lots of money into Beth's coffers.

    You better get used to Fallout being gone for good. Everything else is wishful thinking.
     
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  19. kingcomrade Kingcomrade Edgy

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    Gaming "journalists" who will either have a vague recollection or look at the summary on wikipedia and see that Fallout was pretty popular and a great game and thus New Life Is Being Breathed Into The Franchise and It Lives Up To The Original and stuff like that. It's just another way to hype the game.
     
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  20. suibhne Erudite

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    What's disturbing is that Todd's assessment of the series seems to mirror your own (and mine).
     
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  21. stargelman Scholar

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    Has it occured to you that he's just feeding you what you want to hear? (Or read, for that matter)
     
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  22. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    The whole team is playing the game and looking for what was cool back then! You have to trust them!

    [Cool = anything that could have appealed to the teenage mainstream market, like lots of violence and sex]
     
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  23. stargelman Scholar

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    Sex? Bethesda? Forget it. Not that I think that it added anything irreplaceable, but it's definitely out.
     
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  24. Krafter Scholar

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    Well said, I actually agree with this and was fumbling about for a way to say it.

    The whole thing always seemed weird to me. That's where I agree with Gillen, there dosen't seem much point to Bethesda buying the Fallout license at all. They are obviously not going to make it Fallout, so why not make a new game completely?
     
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  25. suibhne Erudite

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    Sorry, I didn't think I needed to spell out the implied second half of my state.

    "What's disturbing is that Todd's assessment of the series seems to mirror your own (and mine) - and yet Fallout 3 will still be akin to a 25-car pileup in slo-mo, replete with graphic decapitations and viscera-splattered airbags."
     
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