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Interview Bioware gives insight into writing Gay Relationships

WhiskeyWolf

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BioWare decided to interview themselves about one of the most positively received aspects of Mass Effect 3, mainly Gay Relationships. Answering the questions will be Patrick Weekes and Dusty Everman, writers responsible for the said elements.

How do you feel your relationship turned out?

PW: I’m fortunate to have gay and lesbian friends at BioWare who were willing to take a look at Traynor for me and help me edit a few bad lines that played into negative stereotypes. As for the fans, the reaction has been very positive so far – I think the nicest thing I’ve heard was, “I think I’ve actually had that conversation in real life.” The largest concern I’ve heard in feedback about Traynor is that people want more conversations with her – which I think holds true for just about every romance in the game.

Traynor’s shower scene has also raised some eyebrows. I liked it, but for a while we were on the fence about whether to have that scene or just do a fade to black as Shepard stood up. We put it in because this scene was Traynor’s biggest romance moment from a cinematic perspective (her endgame love scene is very short and simple), and I didn’t want to say, “Romancing Ash? You get a big cutscene. Romancing Traynor? Fade to black.” And also because I think it’s a lovely, funny scene from Guillherme Ramos (who also brought you the Liara cabin scene in Lair of the Shadow Broker).

DE: Though I was a bit out of my element here, I’m very happy with how Cortez turned out. Given the nature of the relationship, I expected that my work here would be scrutinized more than anything I’ve ever done, so not one word was written lightly. The early feedback I’ve seen has been encouraging, and I’m eager to hear everything players have to say about him, both positive and negative.​

Read the full post on their blog here.
 

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I'm waiting for the day Bioware will make their ultimate RPG, implementing s&m as both a romance and combat scene.
 

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I also really wanted the romance with Traynor to be positive. One of my gay friends has this kind of sad hobby in which she watches every lesbian movie she can find, trying to find ones that actually end up with the women not either dying or breaking up

Say what you will, but that seems like an enticing prospect in a weekend with your homies - that is, if you know the right people to watch movies with.
 

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Traynor’s shower scene
It seems I missed a pivotal part of the game. Surely this shower scene must have been a highlight of the franchise.
 

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I also really wanted the romance with Traynor to be positive.

Seriously though, I like how the guy says that he wrote the guy with a bunch of gay stereotypes that even the gay employees of BIOWARE couldn't stand.
 

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Cortez was my least favorite part of ME3. he was way too much only what he was--yknow, wounded gymbunny queen. and as seems frequently to happen, it was all just too easy--when Shepard didn't bat an eyelash at hearing the dead husband thing, I just didn't buy it. even if you want an everyone'sbisexual future, you'd still think there'd be a response of some kind, not just cruising through the comment.

Bioware's done better in the past, though. probably when they had chicks writing it, but who knows. I was very fond of Zevran, if a little disappointed that he went all heteronormative at the end with the monogamous life partner thing (show of hands if you've ever met a gay man over 30 who believes in exclusive monogamous relationships? they don't exist). did a better job having your character be a little puzzled about the whole thing, though. and I liked the comments party members'd make if you were samesexscrewing somebody in DA2. obviously the angst was dialed up a little there, but at least Anders' dialogue did involve acknowledgment of his being a big silly biface, instead of just acting like that was to be expected in the setting.

so yeah. should've just let me fuck Garrus, Bioware. for shame. I wanted metal bird dick and metal bird dick came there none. Bioware's heart's in the right place, on this point, at least. just not always executed with quite the finesse it might be. still, proud of them for trying, even when they kind of fuck it up. I'll be interested to see how they finally bring it into SWTOR, if and when they get around to it.

edit: whoa where'd it import my picture from now I look all creepy
 
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Cortez was my least favorite part of ME3. he was way too much only what he was--yknow, wounded gymbunny queen. and as seems frequently to happen, it was all just too easy--when Shepard didn't bat an eyelash at hearing the dead husband thing, I just didn't buy it. even if you want an everyone'sbisexual future, you'd still think there'd be a response of some kind, not just cruising through the comment.

Bioware's done better in the past, though. probably when they had chicks writing it, but who knows. I was very fond of Zevran, if a little disappointed that he went all heteronormative at the end with the monogamous life partner thing (show of hands if you've ever met a gay man over 30 who believes in exclusive monogamous relationships? they don't exist). did a better job having your character be a little puzzled about the whole thing, though. and I liked the comments party members'd make if you were samesexscrewing somebody in DA2. obviously the angst was dialed up a little there, but at least Anders' dialogue did involve acknowledgment of his being a big silly biface, instead of just acting like that was to be expected in the setting.

so yeah. should've just let me fuck Garrus, Bioware. for shame. I wanted metal bird dick and metal bird dick came there none. Bioware's heart's in the right place, on this point, at least. just not always executed with quite the finesse it might be. still, proud of them for trying, even when they kind of fuck it up. I'll be interested to see how they finally bring it into SWTOR, if and when they get around to it.

edit: whoa where'd it import my picture from now I look all creepy

I can only assume that there are some major cultural differences between where you're from and in Australia. Sure there's a massive generation gap in the gay/bi communities, but in my experience 30+ is when most gay guys want a permanent partner. Combine that with under 45 being the general cap-off for 'not having to grow up in a society that hated them', and much of the push for gay marriage has come from the 30-45 bracket.

I'm not going to give you personal examples over the internets obviously, but if you want an ultra-obvious national one, then you couldn't go much further than the recently retired leader of the Greens party over here (Bob Brown) - he's been with the same guy pretty much since he entered parliament (i.e. about 30 years now). I'm actually trying to think of the last time I met a gay guy over 35 who WASN'T looking for long-term or permanent monogamy.
 

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Why? The western society defense squad hasn't arrived yet and the thread still not a pile of feces.
 
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Amusing to see a bunch of nerdfucks talk about "cinematic qualities" in their ultra shitty Call of Space Romance games made for repressed LARPER losers and emasculated bottom feedeing cuckold manbitches. Here's an idea: let these shitstains make a full feature animation using game technology, they certainly have the resources to make one and see it run up against the real deal, actual films industry and see it torn down to pieces. The Biowhore butthurt would sustain the hivemind for years to come.
 

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FeelTheRads

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What the hell is with those eyes and the specularity? It looks fucked up, man.
 

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What the hell is with those eyes and the specularity? It looks fucked up, man.
Probably a combination of the tech and art. Visuals optimized for gameplay are going to look different than visuals optimized solely for looks, as well, i.e. spherical highlights on characters to make them stand out better from the background. Until more game engines have realistic deferred and indirect lighting, you're going to run into problems like that. Meanwhile, artistically, they could build assets and tweak scenes to make those problems less apparent, but that's probably a shitty way to spend resources, especially when Mass Effect 3 was already so obviously rushed.
 

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Holy fuck, that video looks like it uses Poser porn models circa 1998. It's grotesque looking enough that it's bordering on disturbing.
 

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I'm not going to give you personal examples over the internets obviously, but if you want an ultra-obvious national one, then you couldn't go much further than the recently retired leader of the Greens party over here (Bob Brown) - he's been with the same guy pretty much since he entered parliament (i.e. about 30 years now). I'm actually trying to think of the last time I met a gay guy over 35 who WASN'T looking for long-term or permanent monogamy.

I think you're conflating long-term relationship with long-term monogamy.
 

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