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Decline Can we please stop calling RPGs without gameplay Adventures?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by V_K, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. V_K Arcane

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    The defining trait of an Adventure game are puzzles. 90% of the time it's "use the correct item in the correct situation" kind of puzzles, sometimes it's more abstract ones - but there must be puzzles. They are the main gameplay mechanic for Adventures. Everything else - story, dialog, whatever - is secondary to puzzles. I know that the TellTale decline of recent years have tarnished the genre definition, but can we be better than using it as a standard?

    RPGs without combat (or with very weak/easy/unimportant combat) thus are not Adventure games with stats - unless they prominently feature puzzles. Puzzle-heavy RPGs like Wizardry 7, Arx Fatalis or BT4 have much more claim to the title of "Adventure games with stats" than the likes of PST or Disco. Not to mention actual, monocled Adventure games with stats like Quest for Glory series or The Council.

    So could we please stop calling games with no puzzles Adventures? It's insulting to the genre, and even more insulting to real RPG/Adventure hybrids that are actually good.
     
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  2. Duraframe300 Arcane

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    So what are we calling modern adventure games that barely feature any puzzles? (And if so, *logical*/super easy ones)

    (And I'm not even talking Telltale style here)
     
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  3. V_K Arcane

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    Steaming piles of shit?
     
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  4. Ranarama Learned

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    I've been playing this awesome adventure game:

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  5. pidstuff Literate

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    Well I'm puzzled how anyone could like those pieces of shit games. :shitposting:
     
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  6. Norfleet Moderator

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    SHAMEFUR DISPRAY! As penance, you must commit sudoku!
     
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  7. mondblut Arcane

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    Damn, adventurefags don't want to take it in.

    Hey, flightsim dudes, there is this one game that likes to dress up as an RPG and demands access to RPG locker rooms and toilets... wanna have it?
     
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    :nocountryforshitposters:
     
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  9. V_K Arcane

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    The point was, a game doesn't have to be good to qualify - it just has to contain copious amounts of puzzles. Which BT4 does. That its RPG credentials are rather weak, brings it even closer to "Adventure game with stats" description.
     
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  10. agris Arcane Patron

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    Quantity over quality eh?
     
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  11. Grauken friEndly mUrderpUmpkin Patron

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    You'll get Wizardry 7 only when you pry it from my cold, dead hands
     
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  12. V_K Arcane

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    Challenge accepted.
     
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    Make the Codex Great Again!
    I couldn't resist:
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  14. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite

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    I call them walk and talkers. If there's no other people, it's a walking sim.
     
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  15. Maxie Der Einzige Patron

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    God damn you to hell all who shilled for d*sco to find a place here for your retarded memes are actively perverting the genre even further as egghead fucking gamedevs are seeing this travesty get awards
     
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  16. Falksi Arcane

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    Looks like Bioware's new Dialogue wheel.
     
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  17. V_K Arcane

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    I'm not following Bioware, have they inclined that much recently?
     
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  18. lukaszek the determinator

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    sounds like easiest way to insult/trigger a codexer recently is to call each rpg by subgenre instead/adventure/whatever other genre

    who cares
     
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  19. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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    Agree with topic starter. Perhaps, the more apropriate term is IF (interactive fiction). Or, even more specifically, SIF (slightly interactive fiction).
     
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  20. V_K Arcane

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    Yeah, that's an important qualifier. Regular IF would normally require a parser.
     
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  21. octavius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I call them interactice novels (if lots of text like PST) or movies (if lots of dialogue and 3PP).
     
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  22. Absinthe Prophet

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    I don't think they qualify as interactive fiction games either. I think Visual Novel is the closest description, honestly, but it doesn't fit the regular image of a VN. I guess if we call it a 3D isometric VN we will pretty much get the image across, even if the isometric descriptor will annoy people for being technically incorrect.
     
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  23. Gregz Arcane

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    Visual Novel
     
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  24. Bigg Boss Prophet

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    We can stop calling RPG's RPG's. Call them adventure games.
     
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  25. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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    Can we stop using words to denote things? Let's use sounds instead!
     
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