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CKII is released.

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by Trash, Feb 14, 2012.

  1. Abelian Somebody's Alt

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    As I understand it, it's new faction that can be created. The leader of the faction usurps the king's title and becomes antiking. I think it's only possible when there's an antipope.
     
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  2. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    Yea, it's the pope's way of saying "well fuck you too asshole".
     
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  3. Whisky The Solution

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    Jaysus. Just got the Joan of Arc event chain as Cathar Brittany. 54 Martial, sheeit.

    brb, gonna go kill some Franks.
     
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  4. Brinko Cipher

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    Can Catholic Holy Orders still be called up into battle even when the schism has been mended? Because I know Catholics are now orthodox heretics. Also can the catholic heretics like cathars raise the catholic holy orders and start launching crusades at everyone?
     
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  5. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    I think the Holy Order's leadership needs to share its religious variation with you.
     
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  6. mondblut Arcane

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    I think the orders convert?

    Cathars, no. They are against organized religion, or something. It is fraticelli you're looking for, catholicism by any other name. Fraticelli pope, fraticelli crusades, whatever you fancy. Orders do convert and remain available for any heresy though.
     
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  7. Brinko Cipher

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    Well I did some poking around and the Catholic orders just stay catholic. My plan was to mend the schism with Alexios then switch to a Catholic to play through that religious clusterfuck and restore the papacy. It is kinda bullshit that Catholic Orders don't convert to the now established one true christian faith and Orthodox gets stuck with one shitty Holy Order.
     
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  8. Whisky The Solution

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    Northern France is Breton!

    Southern France is Occitanian Aquitaine!

    Franks are all in Germany. They can have it.

    Britain is all Celtic of some kind now.

    Romuva Lithuania is a fucking superpower.

    The Mongols just killed all the Suomenusko (Sorry Vaarna.)

    I'm liking this scenario so far. It'll make a nice EU4 import.
     
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  9. oscar Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I'm slightly disappointed there's no reason to keep the Jews expelled other than roleplaying. You simply get a -2 to diplomacy (what doesn't make any sense at all, my vassals really like and miss the Jews? A malus to stewardship and/or learning would be more plausible) and lose 50 tech points occasionally while being unable to pull off the free money scam. A pretty lame and pointless mechanic.

    Keeping the Jews around should see trouble from clergy, zealous (or envious) nobles, angry rioting mobs etc rather than being a literal no-brainer with no downside
     
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  10. RedScum Arbiter Patron

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    Well i think the -2 Diplo is there caus you expelled a whole bunch of people for no real reson, since diplo affects the opinion of EVERYONE not just your vassals it makes more sense.
     
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  11. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    Still, tech penalties, 100 years after they've been expelled or so is unjustifiable.
     
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  13. Sergiu64 Arcane

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    Well, I sure hope it's not Santa's Raindeer Invasion.
     
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  14. oscar Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Yeah I'm sure the nobility and courtiers are shedding tears at the fact I (or even a preceding reign) won't let the beloved Jews come back in :lol:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_antisemitism

    A ruler at this time would have very solid reasons to be no friend to the Jews. It's a very stupid mechanic as you don't receive even a single benefit for keeping them expelled. There's no price whatsoever to having a Jewish presence and only penalties for them being expelled ("I wasn't sure if I was going to join the revolt against crown authority but the king's grandfather expelling Jews 100 years ago tipped me into rebelling. If there's one thing I can't stand it's anti-Semitism!").
     
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  15. RK47 collides like two planets pulled by gravity Patron

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    I usually keep them around as temporary 300 gold boosts.
    I only expel them if I really need that extra gold to beat back attacks.
    The jews are easy moneylenders. -2 dip is such a minor penalty I wouldn't cry over it.
    I might blink at tech point loss, but I only expel them as last resort.
     
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  16. oscar Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I'm saying there's no point to not let them return upon which the cycle begins anew.
     
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  17. Jick Magger Arcane Patron

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    Stupid goy
     
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  18. RK47 collides like two planets pulled by gravity Patron

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    agree
    too simple imo.
    but jews are like that.
    i see no attraction to playing jews except for the challenge.
    THe khzaras are in a prime 'fuck me' spot at start.
     
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  19. oscar Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Apparently maintaining a possibly centuries old ban on Jews (-2 diplomacy) is only a step below having a family member murdered (-3) in the eyes of your nobles and clergy.

    I never knew medieval folk were so aggressively committed to diversity.
     
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  20. IDtenT Contact me for a good time Patron

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    They should just add a negative tax and trade modifier.
     
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  21. RK47 collides like two planets pulled by gravity Patron

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  22. Abelian Somebody's Alt

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    I hope Paradox don't remove levy teleportation in a future patch. I know it's unrealistic, but the mechanic really saves time and money, such when giving a Spanish duke a county in the Middle East and raising his entire army.
     
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  23. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    IMO, 2 years worth of taxes for expelling them in exchange for -5% tax rate *.

    Allowing them to return costs piety or something? And/or a -10 opinion with vassals for a decade?

    *I'm not actually sure how tax rate modifiers work. I'm assuming it would go 40% base tax rate - 5% tax penalty, knowing paradox.
     
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  24. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    I'm going to throw out it's some kind of New World thing.

    I'll eat my proverbial hat if they're actually going to publish a The Old Gods: Part Deux: Stuff For All The Non-Norse Pagans DLC.
     
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  25. mondblut Arcane

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    Make it The Old Gods: Part Deux: Even More Norse Pagan Stuff DLC for priceless lulz :smug:
     
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