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CKII is released.

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by Trash, Feb 14, 2012.

  1. Beastro Arcane

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    Executing prisoners did that to me from the start. Always get a chuckle looking at someone's family history and seeing who and how many of their ancestors I'd murders over the centuries.

    Overrun by Muslims, vestigal parts survived, Portugal developed from one, Castile, Leon, Aragon grew, Castile and Leon united, all pushed back slowly against the Mussie until Castile united with Aragon.

    Spain's an odd country in its history and how its taken as it's usually looked on as comparable to France and England, yet is kind of an Iberia version of the Habsburg Monarchy to this day with "Spanish" being a word used by central government trying to enforce Castilian culture on everyone else for centuries, which is where the drama in Catalonia and such comes from.

    My solution is to play the game before that kind of crap was introduced.
     
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  2. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    That was in since the start. They really should make an entire expansion around tyrant options, since currently you just keep playing nice and acting like some sort of modern rule of law government, because being a tyrant is just asking for massive trouble.
     
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  3. Beastro Arcane

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    You got relations penalties from doing tyrannical things, but the mechanic of tyranny itself wasnt in. It's been a few years since I last gave ti a go and have been putting on trying to restore a proper old version of the game to play, so I'll admit if I'm wrong.
     
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  4. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    It's still just a penalty to relations, there's no real mechanic of tyranny, which is a shame. It would be nice to play a tyrant without it being self-defeating.
     
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  5. Beastro Arcane

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    Wasn't there something added later that would have you getting +5 to tyranny per revocation or something in addition to damaged relations?
     
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  6. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    Nah it's just an effect (not duration) stacking type of opinion penalty.

    EDIT: Playing Holy Fury with new pagan stuff now, the Eldership succession system does make it a lot less urgent to try and get out of Tribal since you can have a succession type that isn't a total perpetual shitshow. Honestly, I'd probs use it above old Elective system too, since even if you have to deal with pissed off grandpas every 50 years or so when they want you to give land to some asshat they'll still keep the titles in your dynasty so it's only a speedbump at best if you have to spend time finding the perfect chance to kill off the sub-optimal supreme leader (though that shouldn't be too hard either, just use the lodge to duel with your stuff unequipped and hopefully when you're sick or something).

    Also, Norse got REALLY strong this patch (using Old Gods start, so Karlings are also about), they're running an assfuck conga line all over British Isles (well used to, now they run the place in its entirety).
     
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  7. vonAchdorf Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Not being able to strip powerful rebels off all their titles (without incurring tyranny) is IMO more historically correct.
     
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  8. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    True, it reflects the level of decentralization and the way structures organized around various sorts of guarantees, privileges and rights. After all, it took a long time before the king of France got things set up in such away that he could collect taxes all on his own authority.
     
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  9. HeroMarine Irenaeus

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  10. wwsd Arcane

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    I like the idea of building cathedrals and such. Not sure how it would work out or how you would procure funding. Will it just be a thing the player can sink his own money into? Or can he pool together funding from his realm (vassals, clergy, etc.)?

    Not sure about "Wonders" in general. How many "Wonders" were there in Medieval Europe other than churches? What about existing ones? If I recall correctly, the Colosseum was neglected by the popes, and the Muslims tried but failed to destroy one of the Pyramids. I guess it's nice to have the option to reverse that course, but I wonder how much it adds to the core game. Or maybe they'll overdo it and soon every shithole will have a grand cathedral!

    I do like this idea in terms of adding more to realm/city management, giving you more incentive to improve your demesne. Prosperity and the (rather uncommon) ability to add a holding slot to a prosperous country already contributed to this a bit. It would be good to have more of that, just as long as it isn't overdone to avoid turning it into a sim game.
     
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  11. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Pyramids? WTWSMS intensifies

    Also Coliseum seems like the kind of thing you do if you reform hellenic. Who needs executions when you can turn your renegade vassals into gladiators?

    How you do that, anyway? I remember this Britanny game where I once managed to get extra holding slots in every single Brittanian county. How do I do it?

    I'm always a fan of more management and building up stuff.

    I do think its a bit shallow again right now - Its pretty much building Castle Towns and new Cities. When you can't build either, hold your money for mercs to take more land. Building up your desmene beyond that is only worth it when you are big enough and finally own the big duchies and counties you want (say, two or three Duchies, and around eight-twelve counties or so) otherwise you're just giving free shit to a future angry vassal.
     
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  12. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    One thing I would like to see is a revamp of Castles and Sieges. Right now, Sieges are pretty boring and so are Castles. Park a big enough stack, and you can even take Constantinople.

    I would like to see the ability to customize your castle into a powerful Unbreakable Fortress that would make Rogal Dorn cry mainly tears at the sight of it. Sieges should be grueling for both sides. A revamp of siege events would rock. I like the ability of, for example, assigning commanders to a siege, so you can put a master fortificator there and make the enemy weep blood. Reinforce your sieged holding through the seas, and so on.

    This is the stuff I would love to see in-game:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(626)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(717–718)
     
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  13. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    Well what matters is that now the Demon Child heir will be able to build to (hopefully) build a Satanic Doom Fortress.
     
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  14. Fedora Master Arcane Patron

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    All I see is more irrelevant busywork
     
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  15. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Yeah. Will almost certainly end up as another method for players who have already won the game and have too much money to buy new buffs to make them stronger.
     
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  16. HeroMarine Irenaeus

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    Go to \Steam\steamapps\common\Crusader Kings II\events and open this file in a notepad: rip_prosperity_events.txt

    Ctrl+l to event RIP.11705

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    province_event = { #Reclaim Land
    id = RIP.11705
    title = PROSPERITY_TITLE
    desc = RIP.11705.d
    picture = "GFX_evt_culture_change"
    border = GFX_event_normal_frame_economy

    has_flag = crown_focus_province

    trigger = {
    has_province_modifier = prosperity_modifier_3
    NOT = {
    num_of_max_settlements = 7
    }
    }

    mean_time_to_happen = {
    years = 65
    modifier = {
    factor = 1.2
    owner = {
    independent = no
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    stewardship = 12
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    stewardship = 16
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    stewardship = 18
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    learning = 12
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    learning = 16
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    learning = 18
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    is_smart_trigger = yes
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    OR = {
    trait = administrator
    trait = architect
    trait = scholar
    trait = gardener
    }
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    trait = diligent
    }
    }
    modifier = {
    factor = 0.9
    owner = {
    OR = {
    trait = scholarly_theologian
    trait = mastermind_theologian
    trait = charismatic_negotiator
    trait = grey_eminence
    trait = fortune_builder
    trait = midas_touched
    }
    }
    }
    }


    option = {
    name = RIP.11705.a

    ai_chance = {
    factor = 95
    }

    owner = {
    scaled_wealth = -2.5
    }
    add_holding_slot = 1
    }
    option = {
    name = RIP.11705.b

    ai_chance = {
    factor = 5
    }

    }
    }
     
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  17. XenomorphII Prophet

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    If nothing else it will be interesting to see how modders use wonders.
     
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  18. The Wall Erudite

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    Problem is that everything can be labeled as such, including your, this and every single here and everywhere else post. Some could argue you summed in single sentence life. That's not what I see. All I see is irrelevant shitpost everywhere. Guess if anything is fun then it's not entirely irrelevant

    I think wonders and more options to build stuff in CK2 will be fun, just like time wasted on Codex is
     
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  19. Shadenuat Arcane

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    My indian wife and 3 concubines brought me 12 daughters and 1 chinese boy which I am not sure was bastard or not, he spent most time in the dungeon due to kingdom of my liege having 20000 peasant revolts in 8th century for hundred years but he befriended a pet rat there so good enough.

    I think some of my sisters? aunts? I am not sure?? now also rebel and fight my liege from all directions with their husbands for love to their lonely chinese brother.

    also I sent my chinese mother to china Emperor as concubine for points since she was the only one Emperor liked.

    Light cav is indeed bloody op it just roflstomps everything.
    Just began game Catholics at 0 authority nice changes to crusades will play again
     
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  20. Fedora Master Arcane Patron

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    When I think Early to High Middle Ages, I immediately think "Wonders of the Ancient World". Doesn't make sense? Of course not. Therefore it doesn't belong in a game about the Middle Ages, but Paradox have no idea where they are going with CK2 (or HoI4, or Stellaris).
     
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  21. vonAchdorf Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    They should just do a religion focused DLC with Cathedral projects and theocracies. Cathedrals were at least centuries long projects.
     
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  22. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    They should do orthodox focused DLC. Every time i get interested by the focus of the DLC and then it is a low effort shit that adds nothing of value.
     
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  23. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    I for one approve of CK2's current state as monotheist genocide simulator. EDIT: It's actually quite shocking how much stronger Tribals are after HF. West Africans especially seem to be muslim-destroying deathmachines. It seems the only thing AI Catholics can do to survive is to bet on Karling consolidation-through-dynasty-attrition.

    But yea, pure Light Cavalry or pure Heavy Infantry are the new meta I understand.
     
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  24. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    I would like to see Paradox work more on Orthodoxy as well. Right now its the worst christian religion except for feature-less heresies like Lollard or Waldensian. The only advantage it has on catholicism, is that Bishops always pay tax. THAT'S IT.

    A lot can be done with Religious Mechanics, like Religious Laws*, Councils, Schisms, Dynamic Heresies, religions having less or more than one Holy Site, Holy Sites with different values, etc.

    Btw, Dynamic Heresies would be a cool way to nerf the obligatory Paganwank Empires - reformed your religion? Time to fight heresy!

    *a good example is how concunbine was prohibited by the Jews during the CKII timeframe.
     
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