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KickStarter Confederate Express - what is this I don't even

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All mentions of "RPG" have been removed from the game's Steam description. Moving...
 

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I have sent the link to Abu Antar. If we never see him again, may we hope that his organs fetched a fine price on the market.
 

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Make the Codex Great Again! RPG Wokedex Strap Yourselves In Codex Year of the Donut Codex+ Now Streaming! Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
And the s keep rolling in!

I'm keeping my "key" link under wraps until this all plays out - I get the feeling that letting anyone click it will indebt me to the EULA in some way. I don't expect to ever get my $10 back, but ... maybe.
 
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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is. Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
LOL! It's not even a game. Hahahahahaha! You can either left click to auto-move or right click to move. The character shoots without any of your input. I played it for a whopping 0.1 hours. Poor people that backed this. I don't know if I should feel sorry for them our laugh. You can't save. Each time you play, you have to start from scene 1. I stopped playing on scene 2.
 

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Now there's a demo: https://steamcommunity.com/games/771370/announcements/detail/3277933988945765241

Patch 1.3 + DEMO version released

- Playable Demo version added to the store (contains first 4 Scenes)
- New menu option - Continue: resume playing from the last saved scene
- Intro Scene added mini-tutorial describing controls
- Move speed increased 32 -> 36
- Lynx Dash frequency reduced 1.7s - > 2.4s
- Trigger group cost reduced 1150 - > 900
- Optic Sight cost reduced 850 - > 545
- Optic Sight bonus range reduced 5 -> 2
- Teleport cooldown reduced 16 -> 7
- Scene 07 guarantees Serum in stock for sale
- New Item: Reflex Sight; +3 range
- New Item: Heat Dispenser; +1 burst count
- New Ability: Firewall; become invincible for 1.2 seconds
- misc bug fixes
 

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Don't forget to add a "people die when they are killed" in the tutorial because my god this game is so complex.
 

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Ah the Pashanin brothers. Those guys are really something else. If you ever wondered where the phrase "would sell their own grandmother" came from, those guys would be it.

I would try the demo but I'm too afraid it will install a bitcoin miner and ucash troyan.
 

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It's now a game?: https://steamcommunity.com/games/771370/announcements/detail/1687044219335823936

Patch 1.4

- Auto aim removed
- Attack is now manual, use left click to shoot in any direction
- Movement is now manual, use right click to move
- Optic sight grants 15% spread reduction
- Collimator grants 12% spread reduction
- AK47 noise range increased 6 -> 8
- AK47 aim spread speed increased 48 -> 56
- AK47 maximum aim spread increased 65 -> 72
- Zombies move speed increased 8 -> 9
 

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So before the patch, moving and attacking were automatic?
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Apparently, developers had a guilty conscience and now refund backers.
Post-mortem (sort of) and news:
www.kickstarter.com/projects/829559023/confederate-express/posts/3002933
Due to inexperience, my brother and I have greatly underestimated how long it takes to make a game.
The two of us have worked on it for 3 years full-time (2015-2018), putting in 50,000 animation frames & 250,000 lines of code.
But this was simply not enough and we have not even reached the stretch goals yet. We have decided that due to project's [and our] poor reputation it was not a worthwhile investment to continue develop ConEX.
The scope of the game was reduced significantly, and major parts were cut out.
Upon release, the game has reached 97% dislike rating.
3. Can I get a refund?
Yes, you can. But you cannot receive it on your original payment instrument, as they have expired, according to a Kickstarter support specialist.
The only way to obtain a refund is to PM me directly so we can arrange a PayPal money transfer. Many refunds were already sent out this way over the last two years since the game's release.
 

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As if that isn't just another bunch of crap. "You can get a refund. But not via kickstarter, only if you PM me personally." That means he hopes 99% never read the message of which 99% never find his PM of which 99% he can say he did not receive because it was an old one, then pays out a total of 200 bucks to restore his reputation, then start another kickstarter with lifestyle tips pointing to his life reversal to being an honest person, as if he was Mike Tyson.
 

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Honestly isn’t the greater likelihood that after being given people’s email address and PayPal account name, he intends a further fraud? Maybe I’m jaded but this text is almost indistinguishable from a spear phishing scam.
 

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Honestly isn’t the greater likelihood that after being given people’s email address and PayPal account name, he intends a further fraud? Maybe I’m jaded but this text is almost indistinguishable from a spear phishing scam.
That was exactly what I thought. Straight up $ is not the only thing that sustains charlatans like these. I'd much rather lose a few bucks on a failed kickstarter than feed a scammer.
 

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Honestly isn’t the greater likelihood that after being given people’s email address and PayPal account name, he intends a further fraud? Maybe I’m jaded but this text is almost indistinguishable from a spear phishing scam.
That was exactly what I thought. Straight up $ is not the only thing that sustains charlatans like these. I'd much rather lose a few bucks on a failed kickstarter than feed a scammer.

This seems to be the consensus on the comments too. Most go like: you can keep my 10$, you will need them more than me. I am done with you.

Also, the incident is more than 7 years ago. When kickstarter was new, we were aware that exactly this thing would happen, and of course it happened. So people should finally come to terms with the fucking 10$ they sent to some moron. There is no point to be vengeful because the law sort of forgives a small debt that is long ago. Provided they were broke at some point, after some years there is nothing left to take from them. That's probably also their line of defense, they took their game off Steam and also posted a half assed confession on kickstarter that they were morons. That way they will succesfully play the broke developers. And no one will be able extort a great deal of money from them if the damage is only 10$. It is like a shopkeeper who sold you a rotten chicken sandwich nearly a decade ago.
 

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Also, the incident is more than 7 years ago. When kickstarter was new, we were aware that exactly this thing would happen, and of course it happened. So people should finally come to terms with the fucking 10$ they sent to some moron. There is no point to be vengeful because the law sort of forgives a small debt that is long ago. Provided they were broke at some point, after some years there is nothing left to take from them. That's probably also their line of defense, they took their game off Steam and also posted a half assed confession on kickstarter that they were morons. That way they will succesfully play the broke developers. And no one will be able extort a great deal of money from them if the damage is only 10$. It is like a shopkeeper who sold you a rotten chicken sandwich nearly a decade ago.
I guess I slightly disagree with this. It's of course utterly pointless to want to recover the $10 from some broke scammers. And seeking revenge over something like this is stupid; a waste of time and emotional energy. This surely falls into the category of vengeance that should be left to the Lord or karma or the inevitability of fraudsters eventually getting caught. So far, agreed.

But I disagree that the harm they did can be measured in an individual's lost $10 or even the aggregate $60k or whatever it was they stole. They also stole people's hopes and excitement for the game and faith in small developers seeking modest crowdfunding. The enthusiastic generosity of the gaming community, and its instinctive support of the little guy, is a beautiful thing (I don't want to pretend there isn't also a pettiness and vindictiveness in parts of the same community, of course), and scammers like these diminish and, over time, destroy it. It's like (to use an analogy I over-employ) when post-fall Romans would strip marble off monuments to cook into quicklime for making their hovels, or when someone breaks into a home to steal the silverware. It is a massively negative sum transaction. The value the taker gets is not that great, and in the process, he is destroying something irreplaceable (in the first instance, a monument; in the second, a sense of security in one's home or perhaps a sentimental love of a family heirloom). So too here. These guys got a few tens of thousands of dollars; hopeful supporters lost a few tens of thousands of dollars. So far, zero sum. But those investors also lost many intangible things, and there were other follow-on losses (other developers who couldn't raise money as easily, other games that didn't get made as a result, other gamers who didn't get to play those games as a result, etc.).

I don't mean to sound naive. Every place money or property changes hands, there will be grifters and thieves, and Kickstarter probably made it particularly easy. Maybe people should've known what was coming. But still; shame on the grifters and thieves.
 

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ut I disagree that the harm they did can be measured in an individual's lost $10 or even the aggregate $60k or whatever it was they stole. They also stole people's hopes and excitement for the game and faith in small developers seeking modest crowdfunding. The enthusiastic generosity of the gaming community, and its instinctive support of the little guy, is a beautiful thing (I don't want to pretend there isn't also a pettiness and vindictiveness in parts of the same community, of course), and scammers like these diminish and, over time, destroy it. It's like (to use an analogy I over-employ) when post-fall Romans would strip marble off monuments to cook into quicklime for making their hovels, or when someone breaks into a home to steal the silverware. It is a massively negative sum transaction.
Aren't you a bit theatrialic here? Did something bad happen to you recently or are you reading something emotionally loaded in the negative sense? Or is it the corona self imposed california pseudo jail-time that is nabbing upon you? We are here for you !
So cheer up. The 10-60 bucks are not the world and doesn't make the people poor nore rich. And 40k is not enough to settle down in Argentina or Columbia to live of Mojitos and Caipirinhas while being surrounded by chicas. But from the devs name i guess that some village in central or south Asia can build a new well with this money and have some drinking water. See it in this way: There is always a light at the end of the tunnel even if it is the light of the train coming towards you.
 
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None of this is skin off my back; I lost only the $12 or whatever I pledged, which is less than I spend for lunch most days (or, spent for lunch most days before the aforementioned California Mass Home Confinement Plan(tm) went into effect), and I never wanted to do a Kickstarter fundraiser for myself anyway. I will say that the scams with ConEx and some other games around the same time did turn me off to continuing to back Kickstarter projects. For a while, I was allocating a percentage of Primordia royalties to backing small projects on Kickstarter (I think I hit 250 projects) and then giving away whatever keys / rewards I got. But I stopped doing that.

I probably am being theatrical, but I've increasingly lost patience for people who casually try to destroy the goodwill that exists in the gaming community, whether by treating fans as "whales" to bilked of their money through in-game purchases and crowd-funding tiers, by insulting and demeaning old school grognard types, or by engaging in outright scams. There are plenty of scoundrels in the Codex, of course, but this strikes me as different. Like many childhood nerds, I found the gaming community to be a utopian place, for all the shit-talking that may go on in it. Tons of super generous people. Tons of shared affection. That built up a core of goodwill that enabled the industry to grow. I've spent the last few years watching that goodwill being farmed in a way that exhausts the soil, and I see other people salting the soil for no good reason at all. It makes me unhappy. Perhaps present circumstances make me more inclined to wallow in that unhappiness; if so, what better mud pit than the Codex for my wallowing?
 

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For a while, I was allocating a percentage of Primordia royalties to backing small projects on Kickstarter (I think I hit 250 projects) and then giving away whatever keys / rewards I got.
Makes you honorable in this instance.

I never wanted to do a Kickstarter fundraiser for myself anyway.... I will say that the scams with ConEx and some other games around the same time did turn me off to continuing to back Kickstarter projects.
Kickstarter is a opportunity for dreams, but there is always the reality with sometimes a rude awakening. I have opted out of KS for the reason of Gatekeeping of Projects and preventing projects made by conservative people (i supported left and right, if the project was interesting) and not because projects failed or changed. Guarantee of success is not guaranteed.

I probably am being theatrical, but I've increasingly lost patience for people who casually try to destroy the goodwill that exists in the gaming community, whether by treating fans as "whales" to bilked of their money through in-game purchases and crowd-funding tiers, by insulting and demeaning old school grognard types, or by engaging in outright scams. There are plenty of scoundrels in the Codex, of course, but this strikes me as different.
Ok i agree with you that the behavior towards gamers lacks and i also dislike the things that you have named, but you cannot change whales, frauds and snake oil salesman. Btw. Aren't you a lawyer? To quote Mackie Messer: "What is a bank robbery versus starting a bank?"

Like many childhood nerds, I found the gaming community to be a utopian place, for all the shit-talking that may go on in it. Tons of super generous people. Tons of shared affection. That built up a core of goodwill that enabled the industry to grow. I've spent the last few years watching that goodwill being farmed in a way that exhausts the soil, and I see other people salting the soil for no good reason at all. It makes me unhappy. Perhaps present circumstances make me more inclined to wallow in that unhappiness; if so, what better mud pit than the Codex for my wallowing?
I opt always for anger, because wallowing in unhappiness is not for a man among men. And with anger you can fuel your desire to create and change things, while unhappiness....
 

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