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Control - supernatural third person action-adventure from Remedy

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Infinitron, May 29, 2017.

  1. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2
    He talks like EPIC invested the money to get the game made. Is this history revisionism in the making?
     
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  2. ultimanecat Erudite

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    I’m sure that everyone involved can’t wait to dump another $10 million toward a developer with games nobody buys.

    Getting paid for a flop just means you can keep the lights on longer while everyone “reevaluates” their business relationship with you. Sucks because Remedy makes okay games but the kind of people who use EGS seem to be the type to play Fortnight, Borderlands, and console flavor-of-the-week stuff, and not Control.
     
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  3. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    "An amazing game on so many levels."

    These people have low standards. This game's alright, but really nothing special at all outside of the cool X-Files vibe. I'm having a hard time going back and finishing it honestly, because it's so long and repetitive.
     
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  4. DemonKing Arcane

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    Pretty much my feelings - respawning enemies, repetitive combat, difficult navigation and long load times upon death with respawns at distant checkpoints are not ideal. Play this one for the story, quirky NPCs and atmosphere - the gameplay is nothing special.
     
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  5. TheSentinel Arcane

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    I've struggled to enjoy Remedy games since Max Payne 2, which was their last game I finished.

    At first I was very impressed with Control. It seemed like they learned lessons from Quantum Break. Straight to the point, no cutscenes, protagonist internal monologues, gameplay seemed great. But then the more I played it, I just lost all interest. The only thing to find exploring is copy pasted crafting materials like it's some free to play looter shooter, ability upgrades are mostly boring % changes, only one gun (no the gun changing forms doesnt make up for it), enemy variety is poor, the map is fucking useless, I haven't even heard a single song from the OST yet, characters are information dispensers with no personality with the exception of Ahti, Trench and Darling... the list goes on, but damn. Just a poor game overall.
     
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  6. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Yeah that's a big part of it too, especially frustrating with the hard boss fights. I know on consoles that shit is normal, but as a 30 year PC dude it just irritates the fuck out of me.
     
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    Anyone think they missed an opportunity with the setting?

    The SCP influence is strong, so I kinda expected the game to delve into existential horror House of Leaves-style, but the whole thing remained pretty tame. I remember reading that book years ago and the entire thing frightened me, not in the plot but in its format, like there was a bunch of paragraphs suddenly colored in red with strikethrough, paragraphs that describe the effect of center being... centered, straight up blank pages or pages where text is replaced with sketches. I don't remember the plot quite well but the writing style filled me with dread just by how bizarre the format was. Control seemed to take that idea at first, with Jesse's portrait's sudden appearance throughout the building and the whole Astray Maze thingy, but the plot didn't go further than that and gameplay never fuck with you so hard you start questioning what the hell is wrong with it. Things got weird but never really impactful, and the fact that Jesse and other characters are way too aware of how weird the phenomenon is really downplayed the mystery behind the oldest house.
     
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  8. Dodo1610 Savant

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    Finished it, definitely Remedy's best game since Max Payne 2. If the pacing was batter this could have been a real masterpiece but the devs couldn't really decide whether they wanted to make a linear Shooter or a more open "Shock" game. The game is worth it for the gameplay alone, running shooting and flying has never been more fun. Though I do not understand these weirdly difficult spike boss fights. The art design is phenomenal doubt 60s architecture and design have ever looked better. The story is interesting though I think they could have been slightly less vague on some things and maybe give the player more things to think about instead of repeating the same terms constantly like an astral plane without even bothering to try to explain how this could work.
    Anyway, I really hope they can build upon this mystery world they have created because I want to know and see more from it. :4/5:
     
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  9. Cromwell Arcane

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    The Problem with Control, if you play it for the settting athmosphere and writing is its "shit". The writing is definetly not very good even by Video Game standards but it also cant be carried by the atmosphere and ideas because these (the ones I saw) are all copied from somewhere else and they did it in a bad way. Which means if you are interested in media of this kind you have seen almost everything they did and you will notice how lazy they were when it came to "making it their own" i.e. blatantly copying but in a way that its creative enough so that you forgive them. But maybe I am wrong and it got better with time and I just have only seen the broing shit parts in the few beginning hours.
     
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    Oh, the writing definitely gets better later on, but the real highlights were the documents and files and not the story itself. If you were to break it down, there's not much to it and ends being fairly straightforward and simplistic, but everything outside of that (mainly the world building) is where the really good parts are at and where the writing shines the most. Same thing with the combat. The last fight is extremely easy to go through, but in comparison, the Tommasi side quest is the harder than any encounter in the main story; although none of those is enough to stop the combat from getting repetitive towards the end.

    I enjoyed my time with Control, but admittedly, there's nothing incredibly remarkable about it. Just a fun concept that doesn't get as weird as it wants to. I mean, it gets weird and there's some cool imagery and sequences, but it never gets ominous and (surprisingly) off-kilter enough to really stand out among its influences. There's no abstract concept its trying to portray to push it over the edge.
     
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    I don't think the writing is terrible or great, just kind of meh. I did read all the notes and stuff so and agree the best stuff is in there because of the mood they present. The whole game excels at mood but fails at plot, which is typical of video games really.
     
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  12. you know what time it is Arcane

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    Fun concept, but gameplay gets old in about an hour, I just gave up halfway through and watched the rest of the game on youtubes, the ending was meh as expected. Liked the atmosphere and live action stuff the most, writing is a bit uneven, but as others said - case files and other bits and pieces of information is where it's at, akin to SCP and the like.

    Really hope they'll do something with that world they built though, something akin to This is the police 2 would be great tbh (a management/tactics/adventure mix), just more fleshed out.
     
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    Has the Hiss now taken over the House Codex completely? I see no Citizens anymore.
     
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    https://thedeadbeatcritics.com/2019...y-but-its-also-incredibly-boring-and-tedious/

     
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    I don't think I'm gonna finish this one. Just went back to it after a long break and the repetitive combat and backtracking really drove me nuts. In less than an hour I said fuck it and uninstalled. I have shit I enjoy waaaaay more to play. It has a super cool vibe to it and the combat's okay, but as the article above says it just doesn't hold up for long because of repetition and annoyance. Also I don't know if a patch introduced it or what, but suddenly I had a lot of what felt like mouse lag. It just didn't feel good to play after a few weeks of playing other things. Oh well.

    Also the patch added an Epic Client requirement for the game to launch. Adding DRM months after launch! Brilliant!
     
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    https://www.pcgamesn.com/control/drm
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    They say it was an accident and a patch fixed it. True or not, at least they changed it quickly.

    Still doubt I finish it...
     
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    So I played for about an hour. The game runs well, shooting and throwing shit at enemies is fun, and I can definitely see the potential here. I like the world that is presented to us, and I enjoy some elements of the atmosphere they're trying to create. The SCP vibe, and just getting into a vast world that is so secretive is certainly alluring, and I want to know everything I can about it.

    What kind of kills it for me though, is the fact that the main actor chosen is so ridiculously bad. Why in God's name they chose a woman, I have no clue. If this is it how it feels for women when they have to play male protagonists all the time, I feel for them, but really. I can't relate to this broad, and all her reactions are so fucking feminine. Every second I spent playing the game in the first hour, I was thinking, "Damn this is fun. Too bad I'm playing some broad and not some badass who's on a quest to find his lost brother." Her reactions and inner monologues are pretty cringe, and it reminds me of the white valley girls I know all too well. A lost opportunity. Because they wanted to pander to some fucking broads, they hamstrung their game and isolated their main character from their core audience.

    The game is really easy so far by the way, and it kind of hampers the scary and tense atmosphere they're going for. It's hard to feel like that when within an hour in and only having two powers, I already feel like I can take out anything they're going to send at me. That's not a problem, and I think I enjoy a game where I feel like I'm a total fucking badass, even more than the scary and tense games where I feel far more powerless. The problem is that the main character doesn't adequately embody this "badass" on a quest to find her brother and who is fascinated by the world she's found herself in.

    An hour is obviously far too short to tell anything about the content of the game, as I've barely got a chance to see the level design, the difficulty scaling, and whether or not the combat will remain entertaining after more than an hour of play. That being said, my early prediction is that this game will be so close to being good, but fizzle out, and I'll lose interest about 5-20 hours in. Shame.
     
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  19. Morgoth Arcane Patron

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    Bad protagonist, good game. Keep playing.
     
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  20. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Really wish I could understand these posts. This game is easily the most demanding I've put on my PC, and benchmark sites back that up. Weird.
     
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    It's not like one of those games that runs crap on a 2080ti because it is crap and they fucked up tessellation or some shit, it's just a beefy boi that requires a good PC.

    These are two different things, but there are lot of Bulgarians on this Codex who think Solid State hard drives are newfangled nonsense developers shouldn't support, and there's not much you can say to these men and their toasters.

    For the record I thought the woman was pretty cool if you modded her to have the attractive, preorder only costume. Playing with the default clothes which were super ugly felt bad.

    Otherwise I don't mind a protagonist who is basically Ginger Lara Croft.
     
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  22. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    A game running well on a 2080ti does not mean it runs well in general. The 2080ti is a fucking $1200 graphics card that probably half-a-percent of PC gamers own, if that. Also, from watching videos, I know even the 2080ti can't run the game that great at max settings.
     
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    Isn't this the fate of all corridor shooters besides max payne 1/2?
     
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  24. sullynathan Magister

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    Control didn't even chart so it wasn't popular in the first place. The epic deal is what gave remedy money
     
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