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From Software Dark Souls 3

Discussion in 'jRPG Weeaboo Discussion' started by Makabb, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Yep, never beat Princes solo, never beat Pontiff solo.

    How fucking infuriating is it when you have 20 tries at Pontiff with your Knight build, then you respec and have another 10 tries with your mage build and you're ready to throw your monitor through your closed window.....and then you watch someone doing a blind first run and he beats him second try, while absent mindedly commenting about the ball game he saw last night.

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  2. Silverfish Educated

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    Or, alternatively, you could nab a weapon with the perseverance skill and bully him into submission.

    You don't have to roll through every hit of his big boy combo. Sulyvahn's tracking can be a pain, but some of the hits in his string have pretty poor range to balance it out. He's a lot like Capra Demon or Artorias and falls victim to the same circle-strafing strat that they do.
     
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  3. praetor Arcane

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    just to illustrate how people perceive difficulty different in Souls: i think the Twins are one of the easiest fights in the game and i honestly cannot comprehend how can anyone find it difficult (wait there with your retadred ratings. i honestly do not mean this as a "lol, i'm so gud u all noobs" or that kind of shit), i seriously think they're almost as easy as Pinwheel (again, not trolling or anything. stay with me). i also think NK is awesome (past the annoying dragon fight) and not terribly difficult, and Champion is my 2nd favourite fight in the game (after NK)

    but i spent more time on that final transformer cunt than i'd care to admit, the ugly blob of infinite ICBM arrows made me almost brake my gamepad a couple of times, and that pontiff cocksucker can go fuck himself and the first time i got to him i literally spent 2 days at that infinite combo piece of shit and it was the first time ever the thought of ragequitting crossed my mind in all of Soulsborne.

    but, to reinforce the point that DS3 is a bit too much like Bloodborne... you know what's the most difficult encounter in the game? the 2 beasts in the water near the Deacon (and i mean that as a "fair" fight without cheesing them with arrows and shit)
     
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  4. Strange Fellow Arcane Patron

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    Everybody has different bosses that they found particularly hard or easy. I beat Champion Gundyr on the second try. The hardest boss in the game is that witch in the woods with the big hat.
     
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  5. toro Arcane

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    It's shitty gameplay design period.

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    there is a shield with 100% physical and 85% fire resistance ... just use it once
     
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  6. PorkyThePaladin Arcane

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    I actually think the most difficult encounter in DS3 are those Cathedral Knights with Greatswords outside of Ocelot's room. I don't think anyone ever beats them, people just run past them into the room. Their combination of speed, range, power and stamina is insane.
     
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  7. Lutte Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    To illustrate.
    Pontiff, like many of the spammer, has lesser tracking ability. Not only that but he's one of those bosses that don't require a heavy shield to be able to effectively block them if you're really suffering that much.

    He can also be tanked through with pyromancy :


    Those guys are really mean little shits. I just go for bumrush one of the two after pulling with arrows without aggroing both because it's just too unmanageable.
    You forgot another infuriating mob that is on par with harder bosses and could have been the worst bosses of the game if they were given enough hitpoints :
    [​IMG]

    If they had been legitimate bosses with the hp values that comes with the area difficulty (and thus general weapon upgrade) I might have uninstalled the game.
    These guys are what I really think of when I hear about DS3 attack spam, along with the spear+shield lothric knights.
     
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  8. cvv Arcane Patron

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    It's p. bizarre. Apparently a lot of good players got stuck on Aldrich whom I beat 2nd or 3rd try. I was genuinely surprised when I finished my first run, read the comments and found all this wailing and moaning about Aldrich.

    Also NK gave me a lot of trouble on my first run. After about 20 tries I just summoned a bro. But a year later I beat him 2nd try, with a similar Strength build, without really improving at the game (still couldn't beat Pontiff or the Princes). As I said, bizarre.
     
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  9. Curratum Cipher

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    When this piece of shit roll-dodge spamfest of a game brings me to the edge, I just do invasions. It's the only DS where you can invade consistently and not wait 5 minutes, really.

    I just creamed some shield-ducking milk-drinker host, shortly after I killed his sunbro boyfriend. I mean, how terrible must you be at the game if you are even doing the non-boss areas with someone holding your hand?

    Terrible enough to lose a 2v1 fight, I suppose...
     
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  10. Curratum Cipher

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    I just tried to kill the cathedral knight who is guarding some dumb item on the very top of the cathedral, after you cross the X-shaped stone supports / horizontal rafters. Fuck this. I wasted like 8 estus on him and just grabbed the item and fucked off. This is just stupid.

    I've beaten all 3 games a number of times and I am having a hard time coming up with another enemy that is as stupid.
     
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  11. Grimlorn Arcane

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    I probably died 5-10 times on the Twin Princes, but it's mostly an easy fight, just you can kind of roll the wrong way when he teleports behind you. The Nameless King on the other hand, probably died 20 times on. Same with Friede. Pontiff was easy and I didn't even parry or have a heavy shield. I think I mostly rolled from his attacks and still won. Gaal was another boss people said was hard that I beat on second try, almost first, but ran out of Estus after i had him figured out. Fume Knight in DS2 was another boss people hyped up but I beat on first try. Alonne on the other hand gave me a bit of trouble.
     
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  12. Lutte Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Most people really suck at games. I don't mean sucking in a souls game. I mean in "they can't even complete a classic mario game" level of bad. Why do you think most AAA games have gone the cinematic route?

    If you look at global achiev stats, most people don't even reach the ending.. of most games.
    The sort of example that kills me :
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    Only 23% reached an ending in Sonic Mania? I mean, I can understand someone stopping and uninstalling if they don't like the game, but it's the sort of game only people who played and had fun with the genesis games would want to buy in the first place, it was marketed as nothing but a new release of what is essentially a genesis game. And like any classic sonic games, it's pretty short. It shouldn't even take more than, what, a couple hours, to go from the beginning to the end of that very casual platformer in a first playthrough leisurely exploring the levels rather than speeding through? Did all people who bought this suffer from ADHD?
     
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  13. PorkyThePaladin Arcane

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    That's the easy Cathedral Knight. Most of them are reasonable to fight, it's specifically the ones guarding Ocelot with greatswords that are the problem. They have a different moveset, stamina set, etc. Trust me, those are insanely tough.
     
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  14. Curratum Cipher

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    I don't imagine people who suck at games that much will ever have the patience and willpower to get through to the DLC areas of DS3 where invasions are easiest.
     
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  15. Curratum Cipher

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    Sorry for double-posting so much but... The one I'm referring to at the very top of the cathedral is exactly the type with the huge, wide greatsword.
     
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  16. Morality Games Arcane Patron

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    Curiously, as a sub-par action-RPG player, I beat the pontiff and the Dancer in something like 4-5 tries. I can see why the Pontiff is considered trouble (I think I got lucky) but I'm surprised the Dancer is considered difficult.

    Princes wrecked my shit for days, could have easily died to them 50 times. Only Champion Gundyr came close to giving me the same trouble.
     
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  17. PorkyThePaladin Arcane

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    Yes, I know they have the same weapon, but the 2 guarding Ocelot are about 30 times tougher than the others with greatswords. I killed quite a few of the regular ones throughout the game, but those, I tried a couple of times and just skipped them.
     
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  18. Red Panda Look! It somehow got balloons. Patron

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    Dark Souls 3 surely is the best of the series since it has the best bosses.
    Never got the exploration idea of the games since there aren't really any resources that i get through exploration.

    Also DS 3 is by far the least annoying of the 3 games.
    Less annoying gimmick boss fights than DS 1 and 2.
    And bonfires are right next to the bosses.

    As i find the concept of Dark Souls very flawed (online invasion stuff, bonfires), the flaws are much less annoying in DS 3.
    But honestly DS should just be a linear action game. Maybe Sekiro is right up my alley.
     
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  19. Lutte Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    There are many, many people who only ever play the souls in coop. There are many, many of them. It was one of the chief more mainstream complaints about Sekiro.
    https://steamcommunity.com/app/814380/discussions/0/3315110799624171130/

     
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  20. Curratum Cipher

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    That's news to me and it's also very puzzling.
     
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  21. Curratum Cipher

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    This game is so broken, it's not even funny.

    I enter Aldritch first time this playthrough, NG+. The AI goes absolutely haywire once I get him to 30% health - constant soul spear / homing soul mass / arrow barrage. In the end I died to an arrow barrage that transitioned into two soul spears that you more or less can't dodge with no visibility after sprinting away from the arrows.

    I entered the fight a second time and I killed him without losing any health, in about 40-50 seconds. All he did was miss me three times with his retarded melee lunges and I absolutely stagger-fucked him with my claymore.

    If this is not the embodiment of RNG bosses, I don't know what is.
     
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  22. Lutte Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Are you sure you ran up to him after he teleported as fast in your first attempt as you did in the second? How long he's been away from you heavily influences whether he's going to go apeshit with spells or not.

    I do agree that he's a terrible boss design though. He's either really stupid when you trigger him at range, or pissbaby easy if you always stay very close to him in melee and don't give him time for anything by sprinting to him every time he teleports.

    All souls games have a few really terribly designed bosses though. Not sure I'd say I hate Aldritch more than, say, Bed of Bullshit.
     
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  23. Silva Arcane

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    Yep, boreal knights are GOAT contender for most difficult enemies in soulsbornekiro multiverse. This one in the picture is partially difficult because the room you face him is small and there's a mimic at the corner that awakes if you hit it.

    Another one:

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    Corvian knights are rage inducing difficult too.

    But you know what? I play SoulsBorne for these guys. Actual duels that feel like a dance against tough dudes happening when your resources are partially depleted. Oh the rush.
     
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  24. Curratum Cipher

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    Those types of enemies are partially why my last build is a 40/40 refined claymore. Fuck those enemies. All you need to do is get one (hard-to-land, slow) clean hit, then you've stagger-locked them to death.
     
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  25. NJClaw Ontopolover Patron

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    Many have problems with the Dancer because her attacks are delayed to the extreme and her patters can seem unpredictable.

    If you know what you are doing, she is just as easy as any other boss in the game.
     
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