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Decline 10: New Blood for the Feast
- Thread starter noisenerd
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Lizzurd
Cipher
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"dont trust his lies"
Zephyr Arsland
Learned
I volunteer. I'll be inflexible and tyrannical. Also guarded by poodles most of the time.
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Alright then, I hereby deputize Lizzurd and Zephyr Arsland. Zephyr's poodles will be our backup. I'll send you folks the necessary info.
Zephyr Arsland
Learned
Thanks! I won't touch anything unless absolutely necessary.
sqeecoo
Arcane
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- Dec 13, 2006
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Pretender submitted!
Hm, I just notice we have Magic Sites at 50 (way more than standard 35) and Difficult Research. It's not that I mind, just wondering if some of the more experienced players can tell us how much of an impact this is gonna have.
Hm, I just notice we have Magic Sites at 50 (way more than standard 35) and Difficult Research. It's not that I mind, just wondering if some of the more experienced players can tell us how much of an impact this is gonna have.
All blood nations get increased blood income. For others it's bad, 15 "bonus" points in mag.site generation isn't a good trade-off for research penalty. Some nations have difficult enough time with research as it is.
For Lemuria it's a death sentence. Thankfully.
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Cool! Just waiting on one more then, and I believe he's supposed to be back tomorrow. I'll tag everyone in a post tomorrow morning (or as soon as I can) as a reminder.
You know, tbh I really hadn't thought much about the relationship there, I would be interested to hear thoughts on this too... look, here's some now.
I sincerely thank you for the education. You've been a great source of info here! If it's gonna be game-breaking bad, I'll offer to let Lizzurd pick a different nation. I don't wanna screw anyone who built with that in mind, but I don't want anyone screwed off the bat by fate either (unless they're ok with it). I've never even played a game with Lemuria in it, but iirc they do rely on summons and I could see how that could be a problem.
Zephyr Arsland
Learned
What would be more "balanced" settings, if we wanted to keep the slow research?
Mmmh I don't think there are other settings to balance a slow research, it's just a different kind of game really. Again, since nations aren't balanced vs one another what actually does is just shifting the balance of power around.
Obviously there are some nations which get screwed more than others and your "build order" for the first turns has to be adapted (eg. No Conj 1 rush to prophetize a black servant in order to start reanimating Wyrms quicker and cheaper for me).
Obviously there are some nations which get screwed more than others and your "build order" for the first turns has to be adapted (eg. No Conj 1 rush to prophetize a black servant in order to start reanimating Wyrms quicker and cheaper for me).
Matalarata is right, slow research is just a different type of game. Of all nations currently present in the game, only Lemuria really suffers from settings.
- No blood income, thus no benefit from increased site generation;
- No site searchers, so the only way to find magic sites is to conquer searched enemy provinces;
- Really, really BAD research during early and mid stages, so making this setting "difficult" screws the nation even further;
- Initial death gem income depends on "gold income modifier", not on mag sites;
- Even if he takes site-searching Pretender and tries to get maximium of magic 50, Lemuria has no use for most of the gems.
Lizzurd, you fagget, do it now.
sqeecoo
Arcane
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Well then, I'd vote for standard settings (35 Magic Sites, Standard Research - or at least the latter). Dom4 is not a balanced game anyway and that's fine, but no reason to screw some nations up even further. Note that I say that as Mictlan, which benefits from the settings as they are now 
Not only that, but reduced magic sites are part of the flavor of LA.
On the other hand, it's not my game so I'm just giving my opinion to pass the time until the start, not complaining or insisting. It's noisenerd's decision.
Not only that, but reduced magic sites are part of the flavor of LA.
On the other hand, it's not my game so I'm just giving my opinion to pass the time until the start, not complaining or insisting. It's noisenerd's decision.
But 9 Pretenders were submitted already - if you change settings now, you should give people time to come up with new designs. Which is honestly rather frustrating.
Lemuria is already forced to go awake for their summons and because they lack a starting mage so going rainbow sage for research and later site searching seems obvious. And they dont need a bless.
And grand lemurs are quite excellent mages, 3-4 paths. They cover your main needs.
Finally no research means no good counters to lemurian hordes. Thats a huge advantage actually because no Atlantis in the game. Lemuria always has shit research so if everyone is slowed here its a boon not an issue.
And grand lemurs are quite excellent mages, 3-4 paths. They cover your main needs.
Finally no research means no good counters to lemurian hordes. Thats a huge advantage actually because no Atlantis in the game. Lemuria always has shit research so if everyone is slowed here its a boon not an issue.
How much research do you need to grab Communion/Sabbath for Banishments; or a simple Fire Shield? Not much.
Dayyālu
Arcane
DUTY, HONOUR, DISCIPLINE AGAINST THE ANGRY GHOSTS
(shamelessly recycled)
Ok, ok. noisenerd : there is a place for little LA Atlantis? This is in direct breach to my preferences (I would end up with 4 games, if KN or Grimwulf do not end GrimAnt or Pink_Natajara fast) but if there is a little space for the SAVIOURS OF CIVILIZATION I can join.
Can't refuse sqeecoo, after all. And this will end up like Decline1, with LA Atlantis and Lemuria spawning as far away as possible.
I'm ok with Difficult research, less so with increased Magic Sites (Blood Magic is a scourge in LA).
I guess the problem of fighting Lemuria is more strategical than tactical: it's boring to fight, and bar the gems in the cap kinda useless to conquer.
Leave the game settings alone, demmit!
You do your own thing noisenerd, don't listen to anybody (me included). Those liberuls only kill the fun. If you ask about people's opinions on every decision, this pbem will end up miserably. Dreaad here can tell you a story about his own game on another forum.
Random player: OOPS, I staled! Let's rollback.
Host: Err, but we can't do a rollback because of a single stale. Let's put it to vote? I vote no.
Random player: I vote yes.
Everybody else: Yes, do a rollback, we don't even know what the fuck is going on, hurray!
A host must be a tyrant.
P.S.
Hooverdog don't submit until we see whether noisenerd can make room for Dayyalu
The host turned autostart off, so the game will start when he pushes the button. Anybody can submit freely.
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