Demons Souls vs Dark Souls

[Makabb]

After playing all souls like games, I consider Demons and DS 1 the best ones, 2 3 and BB for me just did not do it.

However I can't decide which of the two is better, Demons for me feels way harder than DS 1, in DS 1 it feels that you can romp through the game with a shield up and generaly you will not die, in Demons however there are some bullshit moments which you are not ready for and you will die, like the game is a troll game and every next game is less trolling and more skill involved.

However the Demons is first type of those games and it feels like it has captured the 'spirit' of 'souls' like games the best (being the first one and original) and the further down the hole, every next game removes the 'bullshit' moments in favor of 'skill'.
Maybe DS 1 has just the best balance of bullshit to skill moments? Both games are great in their own right but do things differently.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Nothing beats the music in the nexus. Especially the first time I played Demon's Souls. I imported a copy from Hong Kong because it wasn't out in English. But the Hong Kong version was fully English. The dark and depressing feeling when being in the nexus still can't be beat by any of the other Souls games. And when I started playing I got fucked up left, right and centre and a few times saying "fuck this game" yet I kept on playing. Dark Souls 1 was great but I just never could figure out what it's missing that Demon's Souls has.

 

[Makabb]

Dark Souls 1 was great but I just never could figure out what it's missing that Demon's Souls has.

Demons has this dark gothic vibe, the game tells you 'you are f***' from the start and it has so many insta kill moments that no other souls game have.

Demons is not hard per se by skill like other souls games, but it's like the game trolls the player, once you repeat the same area after death (walking all the way from the checkpoint, another d*** move) you know what to expect behind the corner.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Dark Souls 1 was great but I just never could figure out what it's missing that Demon's Souls has.

Demons has this dark gothic vibe, the game tells you 'you are f***' from the start and it has so many insta kill moments that no other souls game have.

Demons is not hard per se by skill like other souls games, but it's like the game trolls the player, once you repeat the same area after death (walking all the way from the checkpoint, another d*** move) you know what to expect behind the corner.

The dragon roasting your ass right as you exit the area after the Phalanx fight and you wonder to yourself. How the fuck am I supposed to get past here. Then you start running and you get burnt to a fucking crisp. Good times. I still have my Demon's Souls copy and might replay it on PS3 soon after this thread.

 

[Makabb]

There is a rumour or a leak that demons is getting remastered for ps5

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

That would be awesome. But it will be PS5 exclusive since the IP belongs to Sony. And if it is indeed true then I'll have to get a PS5

 

[Makabb]

Also Demons has World tendency and character tendency, i think no other souls game have this ?

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Yeah but the world tendency could really fuck you bad if it's the first time you played it. But drop were better at black world tendency. But when it just came out it really fucked you bad with how difficult black world tendency could be.

 

[Maggot]

I played Demon's Souls first and pretty much everything that came after felt like a rehash of it and at the time Dark Souls ran much worse than Demon's with places like Blighttown hovering around 15fps on PS3. DeS also had dedicated servers so messages were more persistent and the community was more tightly knit.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

It's very hard for me to rank Souls games. Each of them does things i really like at the expense of others. If i were to rank them i would say i like DaS 1 more than the rest, and i like DaS 2 and 3 equally. DaS 2 is imo very underrated and quite excellent mechanically, and it is not so lacking in other areas neither. It *does* feel very different thematically though.

Otherwise, there is Demon's Souls and Sekiro. I haven't played BB because it doesn't exist in my universe since i don't own a PS4. Demon's Souls is overall a really great game mechanically, but i find it thematically inconsistent and even gaudy, and that does reduce my enjoyment of it quite a bit. One character is called Satsuki, the other Freke, yet another one is called Urbain. The whole game is like this, it's all over the place, and i don't like it. I would say that DeS is the most RPG out of all of them and most of the things it pulls off are just fantastic.

As for Sekiro, it has the best swordfigthing in any game i've ever seen. IMO it has the best bosses too, as well as thematic and presentation consistency. It's just a very good product overall, but its gameplay is limited comparatively.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

There is a rumour or a leak that demons is getting remastered for ps5

Not a rumor, more like an urban legend. Remastering that game would not be enough for a new console. It'll have to be made up from the ground. I'd say the chances are there, but maybe low. Also the real tragedy here would be if it wasn't released for the PC as well.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel.
Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended.
Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel.
Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended,
so the world might be mended.

Soul of the mind, key to life's ether.
Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel.
Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended.
So the world might be mended.

 

[Makabb]

So every next game in the series after Demons is just worse Demon Souls? That would fit with the theme of Demons that when you die the game gets harder.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

So every next game in the series after Demons is just worse Demon Souls? That would fit with the theme of Demons that when you die the game gets harder.

No i disagree with that statement. Demon's Souls is pretty good. But not the best.

 

[Terra]

Preferred Demons. It created the template for the series and I always favoured the hub based approach to the interconnected world of Dark Souls. World tendancy system also made things more interesting than later games.

You were also ahead of the curve if you imported the Asian copy of demons, well before atlus started taking undue credit for releasing it later and dark souls opened it up to the masses. Demons is the purest expression of the Souls experience.

 

[The_Mask]

All I can say about this thread is that the Maiden in Black is the best looking female presence out of both games.

 

[biggestboss]

I've always liked Demon's Souls the best, with Dark Souls being second best and technically decline in all areas in comparison except for its interconnected world, and every other entry afterwards including Bloodborne and Sekiro to be massive decline.

The reason why I like Demon's Souls the most is because it was the most hardcore game with respect to consequences for your actions even if there were some missteps which I can forgive because it tried so many unconventional things. Every game after it mistook being hardcore for being just simply 'hard' with respect to combat. It got to the point where there just put bonfires or analogous save location everywhere next to the bosses so there was minimal downtime in dying and running back to them over and over again.

 

[Mojobeard]

There is a rumour or a leak that demons is getting remastered for ps5

Just to clarify on the most recent rumor: basically there's going to be a launch title by Bluepoint, a company that does remasters/ports (MGS HD, Shadow of Colossus, Uncharted Collection etc.). No one knows what it actually is, but there's been a ton of clickbait wondering if it would finally be a Demon's Souls remaster. It's absolutely nothing concrete.

 

[Machocruz]

Dark had better mechanics, but i prefer Demon's world of desolation and misery. DkS has high fantasy and goofy shit in there that doesn't appeal to me. Both are GOAT games either way.

 

[Makabb]

There is a rumour or a leak that demons is getting remastered for ps5

Just to clarify on the most recent rumor: basically there's going to be a launch title by Bluepoint, a company that does remasters/ports (MGS HD, Shadow of Colossus, Uncharted Collection etc.). No one knows what it actually is, but there's been a ton of clickbait wondering if it would finally be a Demon's Souls remaster. It's absolutely nothing concrete.

Jason Shrier confirmed its Demons

 

[Tacgnol]

Also the real tragedy here would be if it wasn't released for the PC as well.

At least the game is fully playable on RPCS3 now. Not as good as a proper port, but good enough.

 

[Makabb]

Also the real tragedy here would be if it wasn't released for the PC as well.

At least the game is fully playable on RPCS3 now. Not as good as a proper port, but good enough.

inb4 the ps5 version will come with cut content

 

[Mojobeard]

Jason Shrier confirmed its Demons

He said "Yes" to the question "Think we'll ever get a Demon's Souls remaster?". That is not a confirmation. That is clickbait fuel.
I'm hopeful it is Demon's, but that is literally some guy saying "yeah it'll happen some day".

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

At least the game is fully playable on RPCS3 now. Not as good as a proper port, but good enough.

Noo... it has bugs and issues. Frequent save corruptions, geometry missing etc etc. I know it's technically playable, but it's not so practically.

 

[Tacgnol]

At least the game is fully playable on RPCS3 now. Not as good as a proper port, but good enough.

Noo... it has bugs and issues. Frequent save corruptions, geometry missing etc etc. I know it's technically playable, but it's not so practically.

Really? I completed it at the weekend. I didn't have any significant issues.