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Game News Dragon Age forums update

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by Vault Dweller, Jun 10, 2004.

  1. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    <a href=http://cgi.nwvault.ign.com/dragonage>NWN Vault</a> keeps track of what's been said by various <a href=http://www.bioware.com>Bioware</a> developers about <b>Dragon Age</b> and other stuff. Here are the most interesting parts:
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    <blockquote><b>David Gaider</b>: There will be romances. Lots of them. In fact, every party member will start pulling your hair and passing notes to the other party members about how cute you are when they think you aren't looking. They will refuse to participate in quests unless you stand around playing footsies with them in the local tavern for at least an hour. There will be warm fuzzy feelings gushing all over you as you scream helplessly.
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    There will also be companions which you can make into friends. They will pat you on the back and tell you war stories. Occasionally they will slap your butt in a friendly manner and an uncomfortable moment will pass before they deny being one of the romantic NPC's. They will have lots and lots of personal quests that they will demand you take time from your busy schedule to deal with, lest they stomp their feet and storm off. Sometimes they will bake you a cake.
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    We felt this was the best way to go.
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    Oh, and ummm... there's some other story going on in the midst of all that, but we'll need to hire more writers before we can get to it.
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    <b>Georg Zoeller</b>: I disagree that the existing backstory in D&D (guess you are talking about FR) makes it easier to craft stories. It actually makes it harder: Because you can not do permanent changes to the world, it is hard to do a heroic story where the things that your player does really matter. We had to cut several endings for Hordes because they involved killing a major villain in the D&D setting or otherwise changing things (i.e. destroying that Inn in Waterdeep). Also, and that's not a minor thing, there are so many sourcebooks in D&D, so many things said about the background story, it is very hard to be creative without violating something that has already been said. There are several on just how Undermountain is supposed to be, so creating a story there is balancing between not contradicting the sourcebooks and making things interesting.
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    Writing the story we want: When using a license we have to write story and gameplay in a way that it is consistent with the image of the license holder and is tailored toward the target audience the license holder wants the game to have.
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    Also keep in mind that licenses can change the owner and the new owner could have different views on things that the old owner had. (i.e. target audience suddenly drops to an "E" rating)
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    [Purely Virtual Example]If the license holder decides thatthings happening in the game (i.e. kissing in romances, sex (even when married , slavery, treachery, etc) are not compatible with the company image, this severly limitesthe options our writers have to to craft the story they want to (and the kind of story our fans expect from us.)
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    Some licenses these days come with "morality clauses" that state things like "in the end good must always prevail. Evil must be punised and can not win", etc. that can be invoked by the license holder and would prevent things like evil endings impossible.
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    As stated before, working with licenses has it's benefit and can produce very successful and enjoyable games (see KotOR, HotU), but if you are out to create a game that "tells your story in your world", (which is what we want to do with DA), a license is not a good idea. If we wanted to "tell a story about the Hero of Waterdeep", we would choose D&D, but this time we are out for something else.</blockquote>The moral of this story: Morality clauses (together with Hasbro and WotC) suck!
     
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  2. Whipporowill Erudite

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    Damn you VD! Don't make me scroll for hours reading ONE piece of news, please? :x

    Particularly something that doesn't even interest me much? Heh.
     
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  3. HanoverF Arcane Patron

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    Eh, I don't buy the "I can't have sex, kissing, or the word fuck in my story, I'm severlah limited!!!" bullshit :P

    Hell, TV had those morality clauses but you could watch people getting away with murder on shows like Alfred Hitchcock presents, followed by Hitch saying 'Oh they got caught eventually...'
     
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  4. taks Liturgist

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    yeah, but WotC actually enforces them, to a degree...
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  5. Volourn Pretty Princess Pretty Princess

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    Han: So you think BIO, Troika, and BIS all lie about that? Ok.


    That said, despite the the morality clauses, BIo was able to add lots of immoralistici stuff like slavery, mass murder, prositution, and other stuff so it wasn't too limiting in my mind...
     
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  6. taks Liturgist

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    yeah, i think they enforce their policy arbitrarily. the devs on hotu did complain that they were a little limited, as i recall... but probably not to the same extent as other games have been.

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  7. Jed Cipher

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    BioWare's personnell policies aside, none of that stuff makes it into the game. Their vision of evil is still "greedy jerk for hire."
     
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  8. Volourn Pretty Princess Pretty Princess

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    X, what ya babbling about? You not making no sense, yo.
     
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  9. taks Liturgist

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    it is part of HotU... are you saying it isn't? i'm missing the point i think...

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  10. Voss Erudite

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    Ah, Jed, all of those have been in Bio games.

    And as that Hasbro policy goes, those sorts of things can be in there, as long as its not graphically depicted, and something the hero(es) are working against, so that ultimately good triumphs. Roughly speaking, anyway. Evil is something to be working against...

    As for the player being evil, that gets addressed in that list of responses too. Go look for it.
     
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  11. HanoverF Arcane Patron

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    Morons, your bus is leaving.

    I never said I don't believe them about the anti sex/violence edicts, I don't buy the bullshit that not having them 'severly limits' them somehow when it comes to stories. You can make lots of good stories without them, or if you're smart enough to work around them. And learn some history taks, TV was very regulated at the time of Alfred Hitchcock presents and others, and they still managed to 'sneak em by'
     
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  12. Jed Cipher

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    Yeah, missing the point. It was meant as a joke.
     
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  13. Sol Invictus Erudite

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    HanoverF, you should realize that you're talking about morons who were too stupid that even the shortbus didn't allow them to come aboard.
     
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  14. Volourn Pretty Princess Pretty Princess

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    X, jokes should be funny.

    hanover, your MORONIC aside (HAHA!); your point would be exactly what? perhaps, these people don't want to break their countracts as they respect the seirosuness of signing them? Or maybe not. Obviously, as has been mentioned, they have gottena round the 'rules' so, once again,w aht's your point tough stuff?

    Oh, I know. You are kewl because you can call people morons. LOLOLOLOLLIPOP


    Cum to me at 644 Lakeshoire Dr Unit 36, North Bay, ontario, Kanda, North America, Earth and say that to my face. I seriously doubt you have the BALLS too.


    I'll be waiting. :cool:

    Enjoy. :lol: I know I will. :lol:
     
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  15. Snuffles Novice

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    In HotU you get to buy a slave and brielfy own them, you can then choose between throwing them into a pit fight, with or without some itemz for a cash prize or set them free. Not much, but a bit of something evil?
     
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  16. Country_Gravy Arcane Patron

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    Whoa!

    Whose the tough guy? Am I the tough guy? Are you the tough guy? The gauntlet has been thrown and now we have Volourns address. You're a Cunuck? Crazy. How wise is it to post your address on an Internet buliten board, though? That isn't really your address, is it? That dude must have really pissed you off. Considering all the shit that has been thrown your way, Volourn, it suprises me that you would take this dipshit's comments so personally.

    You're letting yourself slide, man.
     
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  17. taks Liturgist

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    i thought so... that's why i asked :)

    taks
     
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  18. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    I'll let Dr. Evil handle this one: "that's semi-evil, quasi-evil, the margarine of evil, the diet coke of evil, just one calorie, not "evil" enough" :)
     
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  19. taks Liturgist

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    what exactly does this have to do with anything i've said? i made it pretty clear that wotc enforces their policy arbitrarily (the most notable would be toee content cuts) while letting some things slide (slavery in hotu)... how exactly does this translate to not understanding history?

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  20. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    He doesn't. It amuses him. He does that address thing every now and then when he's bored.
     
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  21. Volourn Pretty Princess Pretty Princess

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    Gravy: Who's taken anything personally? I just want to see if he's all typing or he's a man of action. And, no, I'm not pisse doff. Amused most likely. And, yes, that IS my real address. Mail me soemthing to find out... as long as it's not a bomb. LOL :D

    VD understands. Sadly, no one has taken me up on the offer. I want a free ride in an ambulance! :cry:
     
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  22. Diogo Ribeiro Erudite

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    It's good to know you're still the master of stealthy sexual innuendo.
     
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  23. taks Liturgist

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    yes, stealthy.

    you're back, r-p... from portugal? was that always your location?

    taks
     
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  24. Sol Invictus Erudite

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    It's time to subscribe Volourn to free condom mailing lists.
     
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  25. Diogo Ribeiro Erudite

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    Hey there taks :) Well yes, i live in Portugal. But i've used several different locations on the 'location' field in the past. I just decided to place my real location and let it stay there.
     
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