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dragonfk

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The problem is that Codex is usually right. And when you'll see how often it is, then you'll have less fun in life and you'll become much more stressed than you are now. :(
 

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J_C said:
If you don't, you won't last long on the site.
Huh? We have a few posters that aren't full of "hate" (if "hate" = results of critical thought when viewing the world with open eyes), aries comes to mind. There are probably some others.
 

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Shannow said:
J_C said:
If you don't, you won't last long on the site.
Huh? We have a few posters that aren't full of "hate" (if "hate" = results of critical thought when viewing the world with open eyes), aries comes to mind. There are probably some others.
Of course my whole post was an exaggeration. The comment was set up to lure the newfag to the darkside. But I failed, he is not staying. Or wait...this might be a victory. :?
 

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DA2 flop, SWTOR being a 500 million dollar failure despite delusional fantards trying to prop it up in everyone else's rational opinion, and the dissolution of Bioware into EA North--- oh what a sweet, sweet taste that will have.

When I hear the news-- and that news will come-- I'll just reflect on the day that DA got its "Origins" subtitle, which with its very revealing betrayed itself as the progenitor ( indeed the "origins") of Bioware's destruction, by way of consolification and DLC shitfests; and I shall savor it on my tongue like a ripe kalamata olive.
 

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ExEverest said:
Xor said:
What exactly would be a "fair assessment of the game", according to you? Surely you have some method for determining whether or not you should purchase a game. Does it involve playing the demo, or reading reviews? I can't think of very many other ways one could come up with any sort of objective determination other than torrenting the game on release and giving it a full playthrough before deciding to buy it or not.

The only way I think one can have a fair assessment of the game is to play it through to completion.

I respect your opinion on the matter, but what you said only applies if you want a fair and complete assessment of the game. Otherwise you should be able to determine the worth of a game after playing for just a short while. Unless it is VERY complex. This ain't it. A short playthrough should be enough to know the game mechanics and overall quality.

As for judging when to buy. Well I consider people that buy games uninformed to be morons. Last time I was a moron must have been Empire: Total war.
 

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Hey idiot, how about you go back to sucking Laidlaw's cock?

The only way I think one can have a fair assessment of the game is to play it through to completion.

Bullshit. Interviews with the devs, previews and demo give you an accurate enough picture of the game so you can make a rational decision vis-a-vis purchasing or not. The claim that "you have to play the game completely before you can judge it" is just the knee-jerk defence reaction of butthurt fanboys, who after they've bought their bowl of shit and ate it, have to justify spending $60 and several hours on aforementioned shit.

The only thing this kind of bias provides is complacency at the expense of objectivity and knowledge. i.e. short term benefit vs. long term. I would much rather have the latter.

Hello, I am a pretentious faggot with very little idea what I'm talking about. I don't know why I even came to this site, probably in a vain attempt to feel smug and superior but since I obviously failed, I'll scurry away with my tail between my legs.

That was pretty funny, I'll admit. Inaccurate, but...

Why do you lie? Blackadder aptly described your idiot spiel.

I'm sure we may have an idea as to what trends might be in place, but you're equating an opinion of a single reviewer with an aggreggate of hundreds. You'll have to forgive me if I don't trust some guy on the internet on sociological assessments encompassing thousands of individuals.

Have you been living under a rock for the last five years? AAA-releases from big boys routinely get 90+ scores, most likely 95+. It's a travesty and an exercise in dishonesty since obviously they cannot all be "once in a lifetime, best of the decade"-games. The fact that such a title gets 87%, even in a German magazine, is already quite telling. In any case, when was the last time that a big name title got crap reviews on launch?

Considering that large majority of people on this site already consider Origins to be a piece of shit game, everything points to DA2 being even worse in every aspect. If, by some miracle, this isn't the case, then DA2 will be extensively debated here, have no fear. But our collective experience with AAA-games and especially Bioware, coupled with what we know of the game so far, clearly indicates that it might somewhat enjoyable action game but it has no business entering the esteemed RPG-club of prestigious games.
 

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kris said:
I respect your opinion on the matter, but what you said only applies if you want a fair and complete assessment of the game. Otherwise you should be able to determine the worth of a game after playing for just a short while. Unless it is VERY complex. This ain't it. A short playthrough should be enough to know the game mechanics and overall quality.

As for judging when to buy. Well I consider people that buy games uninformed to be morons. Last time I was a moron must have been Empire: Total war.

A 'game' is a completed/whole product. If you want to assess a completed/whole product, I think one has to complete it, wholly. You can approximate what the rest of the game will be like...but one can't know for sure. At least I don't think so. Enemy groupings can change later on in the game, types of enemies, the story will come to a crescendo, new gameplay mechanics might be introduced, at the very least one would have to adjust their strategy-within the last 2/3 and 1/3 of the game a lot can happen that might change your mind about the game on the whole.
 

ExEverest

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GarfunkeL said:
Hey idiot, how about you go back to sucking Laidlaw's cock?

Ooh, name calling and homophobia, aren't you mature and incisive with your criticism.

Bullshit. Interviews with the devs, previews and demo give you an accurate enough picture of the game so you can make a rational decision vis-a-vis purchasing or not. The claim that "you have to play the game completely before you can judge it" is just the knee-jerk defence reaction of butthurt fanboys, who after they've bought their bowl of shit and ate it, have to justify spending $60 and several hours on aforementioned shit.

Do they now? They might give you an idea of what kind of gameplay could be in the mid-to-late game, or what demographic they are trying to target with this title; and those could give you an idea of what's in store for you...but if you call the entire title crap without playing through it...well, such an assessment sounds a bit baseless. (...and interviews with the devs can give you an accurate picture? Are you positive that you don't want to retract that statement? Interviews are a part of the marketing campaign, and should be treated as such)

The only thing this kind of bias provides is complacency at the expense of objectivity and knowledge. i.e. short term benefit vs. long term. I would much rather have the latter.

Hello, I am a pretentious faggot with very little idea what I'm talking about. I don't know why I even came to this site, probably in a vain attempt to feel smug and superior but since I obviously failed, I'll scurry away with my tail between my legs.

Projection, perhaps?

Sorry, I won't give your ego the satisfaction of not replying. I said why I came to this site earlier; I trust you can read. I also have a very exact idea of what I'm talking about, but by all means, if it makes you feel better to call those who sound smarter than you names, feel free to perpetuate your existence in your private cesspool of ignorance.

And 'Faggot'? How old are you?

Why do you lie? Blackadder aptly described your idiot spiel.

I don't. I just happen to be secure enough in myself that it would take a lot more than an inaccurate and exaggerated depiction of what I'm allegedly trying to say, to bother me. Who said I was against torrenting? Who said that mods & patches (etc) are necessary? That person said, that's whom. Not me. Didn't even imply it. I think that's called a strawman argument, by the way. So if that's your definition of apt-well, congradulations, your standard has hit rock-bottom.

Have you been living under a rock for the last five years? AAA-releases from big boys routinely get 90+ scores, most likely 95+. It's a travesty and an exercise in dishonesty since obviously they cannot all be "once in a lifetime, best of the decade"-games. The fact that such a title gets 87%, even in a German magazine, is already quite telling. In any case, when was the last time that a big name title got crap reviews on launch?

Most likely 95s? Where are you getting this information from? I've had a look at metacritic, and only saw one 90, one 91 and one 93, all of which came out in the last 3-4 months. Secondly, the people who make the big bucks can afford higher development budgets, higher development budgets=better people + more time + better managment=better quality. It's natural to expect most of the AAA titles to be quite good. And I don't think that a game that gets 90+ has to automatically be a 'once in a lifetime, best of decade' game; it could just be quite good. Depends how you percieve the grading scale, I suppose.

But even that wasn't my original point, my original point was that many of you appear to be so jaded & cynical that even when a game that's actually good comes out, if it didn't appeal to you, for whatever reason, you'll still call 'corruption' with regards to the review that gave it a good score, without entertaining the idea of the reviewer being limited to a 100 points in the grading scale, and thus it being entirely possible that the reviewer is telling the truth about how he/she feels about the game.

Considering that large majority of people on this site already consider Origins to be a piece of shit game, everything points to DA2 being even worse in every aspect. If, by some miracle, this isn't the case, then DA2 will be extensively debated here, have no fear. But our collective experience with AAA-games and especially Bioware, coupled with what we know of the game so far, clearly indicates that it might somewhat enjoyable action game but it has no business entering the esteemed RPG-club of prestigious games.

Well, I think that was an improvment over 'I know this game sucks'. Entertaining different possibilities-that's being objective. :) I do have to apologize for not realizing that Origins' wasn't to everyone's liking here-I assumed that what with everyone complaining about it's difficulty and strategy it'd be right up everyone's alley....but I suppose not, so I do apologize if I implied or said that people's opinions are based on the percieved marketing-clearly if the company is trying to imrove on the same formula, but keep the latter mostly intact, regardless of how they market, if the person in question didn't like the original formula to begin with, then one could safely assume that his/her reaction to the 2nd game won't change in any significant manner.
 

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ExEverest said:
kris said:
I respect your opinion on the matter, but what you said only applies if you want a fair and complete assessment of the game. Otherwise you should be able to determine the worth of a game after playing for just a short while. Unless it is VERY complex. This ain't it. A short playthrough should be enough to know the game mechanics and overall quality.

As for judging when to buy. Well I consider people that buy games uninformed to be morons. Last time I was a moron must have been Empire: Total war.

A 'game' is a completed/whole product. If you want to assess a completed/whole product, I think one has to complete it, wholly. You can approximate what the rest of the game will be like...but one can't know for sure. At least I don't think so. Enemy groupings can change later on in the game, types of enemies, the story will come to a crescendo, new gameplay mechanics might be introduced, at the very least one would have to adjust their strategy-within the last 2/3 and 1/3 of the game a lot can happen that might change your mind about the game on the whole.

I think I was clear in what I said. That you will know if a game is good or bad only by playing through a bit of it. That you then know how the game plays, which really is the important thing. You only need to complete the whole game to be able to know how the whole and complete experience was.

I can only agree that to be able to judge the story you need to play it all. I can't come up with one game ever that introduced new gameplay mechanics and new stretegies is doubtful, apart from possibly some highlevel spell. Sure wasn't true in case of DAO though. (I am one of the ones here that liked DAO)

On the subject then. Judging DA2 is even easier than judging DAO, because you then only need to judge the differences and how they affected the game, because you will know the rest.
 

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ExEverest said:
Ooh, name calling and homophobia, aren't you mature and incisive with your criticism.
Frankly, homophobia seems accepted social behaviour on the Codex, which makes me wonder if there are some deep-lying sexual insecurities present in many of the most frequent advocates of this so-very-mature and intelligent attitude.
I wouldn't be too surprised to find them secretly enjoying trannie porn themselves...

ExEverest said:
Secondly, the people who make the big bucks can afford higher development budgets, higher development budgets=better people + more time + better managment=better quality. It's natural to expect most of the AAA titles to be quite good. And I don't think that a game that gets 90+ has to automatically be a 'once in a lifetime, best of decade' game; it could just be quite good. Depends how you percieve the grading scale, I suppose.

If only.
AAA titles are catered to appeal to the masses. That isn't neccessarily a bad thing and it's somewhat understandable because they want to make money out of it (now consider that huge amount of money that went into production). However for some time now, partly due to multi-platform development - resulting in concessions to the console crowd - and a certain general reduction in difficulty and complexity as a way to bring more players to the games, many "old-school" gamers feel that there is simply too much :decline:
 

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Gord said:
Frankly, homophobia seems accepted social behaviour on the Codex, which makes me wonder if there are some deep-lying sexual insecurities present in many of the most frequent advocates of this so-very-mature and intelligent attitude.

See the ongoing thread where Glyphwright hysterically rails that if he sees too many gay dicks he'll be unable to stop himself choking them all down at once. It's good fun, really.

I do have to apologize for not realizing that Origins' wasn't to everyone's liking here-I assumed that what with everyone complaining about it's difficulty and strategy it'd be right up everyone's alley...

It's kind of hard to tell what the general consensus on DA1 was here. It won game of the year, beating fucking Risen and Knights of the Chalice, but almost every discussion of it has been and is fairly negative. If there is a consensus, I think it's that the game had decent potential, but ended up being a poor man's BG2-lite for the WoW generation, which is how I feel about it.

This is probably about where everyone dismisses us as bitter, nostalgic cunts and leaves again, so I'll try to explain a bit. The Codex has a bit of a different paradigm going on. At the Bioware boards (and most boards, really), their late-90s (even I struggle to call this old-school) RPG of choice is Baldur's Gate; here, it's Fallout, and all that entails. It's probably accurate to say that Fallout shaped the expectations and tastes of many of the people here, those who weren't already prodded in that direction by Wasteland. A lot of people don't even have the patience for BG; after Fallout's heavy and masterful use of skill checks and character building, turn-based combat, interesting worldbuilding and so on, Baldur's Gate's fairly generic fantasy world with its static story and real-time combat felt like a step backwards to many. It made said people a bit sad to see that it was BG future CRPGs would copy, not Fallout.

As I've mentioned on the Bioware boards during my brief pseudo-trolling effort over the last couple of weeks, the other reason for Codexers' grimdark jaded bitterness - often to the point of seeming unreasonable - is that we have been told directly by the industry, the developers and the communities they surround themselves with that our tastes don't matter, we're stupid for having them and nobody will ever want to cater to our tastes again. Gaider has said pretty much exactly this on several occasions, and it was a vital part of Fallout 3's marketing. By comparison, imagine you're a huge Star Wars fan. It's not your life, exactly, but it's your favourite franchise and piece of entertainment. The new films come out and are... well, exactly like the new films were. Well, the Jedi are now a tribe of jetpacking Judge Dredd clones and Darth Vader turns out to be a small, confused duck who fell in a vat of chemicals, but other than that. You find them a bit crude, stupid and a massive letdown. But wait! You're the only one who thinks so. The films receive rave reviews. Reviewers praise the fact that they're not all slow and boring and outdated like the originals, that they're a true update for the 21st century that improves on them in every possible way, and that anyone who disagrees must just be blinded by nostalgia. They admit that the originals were okay at the time, but come on guys, cinema has moved on. All your friends agree. Every forum you visit thinks so too - that is, the members who even realise the originals exist. "Why would I care about some old ugly movies when I have The Phantom Menace?", they r00fle at you. Eventually, and quite by accident, you stumble across a strange, unwashed corner of the internet where the men are men, the women are also men and the children are only in oldmanpaco's pictures. Everyone there agrees with you, and are just as sad and confused as you as to why nobody else does.
When you start posting there, do you think you might just be a little bit bitter?
 

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Admiral jimbob said:
[...] Eventually, and quite by accident, you stumble across a strange, unwashed corner of the internet where the men are men, the women are also men and the children are only in oldmanpaco's pictures. Everyone there agrees with you, and are just as sad and confused as you as to why nobody else does.
When you start posting there, do you think you might just be a little bit bitter?

Good God, stop that, it makes me want to throw the Codex a dime.

ExEverest is already aware of the grounds he's treading - and his reprobation of codexian "homophobia" is probably just a feint : the Codex' omniphobia is pretty much obvious. What he doesn't know is that he's a troll with a twisted and perverted sense of righteousness which compels him to bathe in the same mud as ours just to show us how clean he is - and soon was. It's only a matter of years and regular posting before he lets the nine-year-old bile-tempered codexian dialectics contaminate him and becomes the next Skyway. This kind of rigorous objectivity never ends well.

"Battle not with codexers, lest ye become a codexer, and if you gaze into the cesspool, the cesspool gazes also into you."
 

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@Kris: I think you're contradicting yourself; first you say that in order to judge whether the game (if you don't specify which portion of the said 'game', I'm assuming that you mean the game in it's entirety) is good or not, you need to play through a bit of it. Then you say that in order to be able to judge the whole experience, you need play through all of it.

I do, for the most part, agree with what you said later; if you assess a significant portion of the game, and supplement that assessment with some statistics about the game, and the likelihood of gameplay changing after and before the portion that you studied; you have a relatively accurate assessment of how the game will play out (at least in the sense of gameplay). It may not be perfect, because you can't know all the facts about the game w/o playing it, or watching someone else play it, but it could be plausibly accurate. It may also be a complete self-validating & cherry-pciked mess...depends on the skepticism you have about your own conclusions, in my opinion.

@Gord: Well, I think that's as good a definition of a 'good game' as any-the one that ellicits the most positive emotions in most people. That definition doesn't appeal to me personally, I like my gameplay squad- and turn-based, but that doesn't immediately make mine or your opinions somehow more valid/important than others. It might mean that you're smarter, or have higher tolerance to boredom, or just different tastes, but we do live in a free-market economic system.

@Admiral There's such a thing as a gay dick? I do appreciate the civil explanation, and I have no doubt that all of you have sufficient reason to be bitter; I just don't find it to be a productive course of action.

Anyways, my original point was in regards to people claiming corruption in the media, and while I'm certain that that's partially the case, I'm also convinced that not every positive review of a AAA title is implicitly biased/motivated by financial concerns. And if your assessment of the title wasn't based on the marketing campaign, but on the game that came directly before, and on a game that, by all indications, will have a gameplay that's quite similar to the title you're assessing, I reckon your assessment (at least in this case/context), mostly accurate.
 

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Chateaubryan said:
Good God, stop that, it makes me want to throw the Codex a dime.

ExEverest is already aware of the grounds he's treading - and his reprobation of codexian "homophobia" is probably just a feint : the Codex' omniphobia is pretty much obvious. What he doesn't know is that he's a troll with a twisted and perverted sense of righteousness which compels him to bathe in the same mud as ours just to show us how clean he is - and soon was. It's only a matter of years and regular posting before he lets the nine-year-old bile-tempered codexian dialectics contaminate him and becomes the next Skyway. This kind of rigorous objectivity never ends well.

"Battle not with codexers, lest ye become a codexer, and if you gaze into the cesspool, the cesspool gazes also into you."

What grounds might these be? Not hallowed, surely. :roll: I was also not aware that GarfunkeL is actually an all-encompassing manifestation of the Codex. And 'never' ends well? It must've ended on a note of moderate wellness at one point or another, surely. I don't know, perhaps I'm crazy.

And the only sense of righteousness I possess is that of attempting to share information, and/or the analysis of said information. So if Codex's dogma is to indulge in dialetics, I'll be a shoe-in. Well, at least while I find the topics discussed important. :)
 

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GarfunkeL said:
Have you been living under a rock for the last five years? AAA-releases from big boys routinely get 90+ scores, most likely 95+. It's a travesty and an exercise in dishonesty since obviously they cannot all be "once in a lifetime, best of the decade"-games. The fact that such a title gets 87%, even in a German magazine, is already quite telling. In any case, when was the last time that a big name title got crap reviews on launch?
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/drago ... ic-reviews 88 88 86 86 86 85 80 80 80 80 80 80 70 seems like all are from the month of release. Want some harsher scores, take a look at the console sections. Not good enough? All right:
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass- ... ic-reviews 89 89 88 88 88 85 85 74
One more for good measure from another company http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallo ... ic-reviews 89 83 80 80 80 80 75 72 70 70

Let's drop this confirmation bias crap as proof that everyone else is tired of Bioware.
 

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ExEverest said:
What grounds might these be? Not hallowed, surely. :roll:

Good. That's precisely what I implied : you're aware of the Codex' sacrilegious nature and your innocence of codexian customs is probably an act.

I was also not aware that GarfunkeL is actually an all-encompassing manifestation of the Codex.

That's where you got it wrong from the beginning. Garfunkel's evocation of Mr Laidlaw's appendicle is not homophobic. He simply implied - in a typical codexian sacrilegious way - that you were biased. Wheter he is homophobic or not is another question and his problem. What I am enclined to think is that you love to playfully nitpick insignificant aspects of others' post just to get that trolling rolling.

For that matter, I probably won't engage in sterile debates with you anymore : I'm pretty sure you'd beat me down with experience.

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ExEverest said:
GarfunkeL said:
Hey idiot, how about you go back to sucking Laidlaw's cock?

Ooh, name calling and homophobia, aren't you mature and incisive with your criticism.

It's called roleplaying, lady. He's in-character.

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Gord said:
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Chateaubryan said:
That's where you got it wrong from the beginning. Garfunkel's evocation of Mr Laidlaw's appendicle is not homophobic. He simply implied - in a typical codexian sacrilegious way - that you were biased. Wheter he is homophobic or not is another question and his problem. What I am enclined to think is that you love to playfully nitpick insignificant aspects of others' post just to get that trolling rolling.

Eh, I'm bound to engage in irrational or juvenile activity at one point or other. Not sure if that's what I did, but it's entirely possible. As for him being homophobic-inherent in his implication is the idea that preforming fellatio equates you to being an unfair person. So he does use what would be a homosexual act (in my case) with a negative connotation. Which would be homophobic (or, I think more accurately, heterosexualist), as far as I can see, as a non-homophobic person wouldn't think that a homosexual act was indicative of any negative behavior. Actually that was a rubbish criticism on my part, because he had no way of knowing what gender I was, and therefore the remark was neutral in the sense of sexuality (although him calling me a faggot cleared up most doubts).
 

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Gord said:
Frankly, homophobia seems accepted social behaviour on the Codex, which makes me wonder if there are some deep-lying sexual insecurities present in many of the most frequent advocates of this so-very-mature and intelligent attitude.
I wouldn't be too surprised to find them secretly enjoying trannie porn themselves...

It don't seem to be that secret. But despite all the posts in some of those threads... Most people dont really care.

Admiral jimbob said:
It's kind of hard to tell what the general consensus on DA1 was here. It won game of the year, beating fucking Risen and Knights of the Chalice, but almost every discussion of it has been and is fairly negative. If there is a consensus, I think it's that the game had decent potential, but ended up being a poor man's BG2-lite for the WoW generation, which is how I feel about it.

I believe it is kind of 50/50. It was more positive at release and after a while more turned over to become negative. Still, it sounds more negative now mostly because the ones with negative views have the compulsive behaviour to post about it all the time. Some more than others of course. Nto to forget that none here miss a opportunity to rake up a bad joke.


ExEverest said:
@Kris: I think you're contradicting yourself; first you say that in order to judge whether the game (if you don't specify which portion of the said 'game', I'm assuming that you mean the game in it's entirety) is good or not, you need to play through a bit of it. Then you say that in order to be able to judge the whole experience, you need play through all of it.

For a review or to judge something as unimportant as the story you need to play through the whole game. To judge if it is good or bad you just need to play it enough to see most of the mechanics. That was what I tried to say. And before you say that the story is important... Well if the story really is important in a game, then it is a bad game by default.
 
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VentilatorOfDoom said:
- final rating is 87%. "Although the fans' fears have partially come true, this is still a magnificent RPG"
Why is it a magnificent RPG?

Contrasting the end rating 87%/magnificent appreciation with the review's body that mentions all those serious failings it just sounds like he's trying to stick to his pre-release review deal where he has to give it no less than x%.
 

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kris said:
For a review or to judge something as unimportant as the story you need to play through the whole game. To judge if it is good or bad you just need to play it enough to see most of the mechanics. That was what I tried to say. And before you say that the story is important... Well if the story really is important in a game, then it is a bad game by default.

Well, that's assuming that the game in question displays most of it's mechanics in the segment played. Entirely possible, but I'm not sure how prevalent that situation is. We'd have to define what mechanics are first. Story is important, in my opinion (granted, I define most of current video games as a mixture of gameplay and film), but I understood what you meant. Just not sure if I agree. I'll have to consider this point.
 

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My opinion of DAO started out quite high, probably partially from other codexer's initial impressions of it. I didn't play through the full game until several months after it came out, though, and eventually I realized the main problem with DAO: the combat is fucking boring.

We've been over that before, though. I think many people who praised the game here had the same reaction I did. DAO had promise initially with the origins and whatnot, but over time the lazy encounter design and shoddy combat become increasingly frustrating. Also, I expected Loghain's motives to be explained at some point. They were not.
 

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Codex said :
I will play the game nonetheless and it will end up as number 2 in the "Best RPG of 2011" list, beaten by TW2's "old-school" gameplay and sex-scenes. For the record, I'll probably play Final Fantasy XIII this summer AND ENJOY IT, because I'm a whore and I do everything for the lulz anyway
 

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Jaesun said:
roladka said:

Bioware: We put the A button into RPG's.

it looks like the TW2 video that involves a stupid amount of ROLLING AROUND LIKE A DERP, only that one was done by some shmuck who wanted to show us the animations or something--and no one will ever play Geralt like that--but this seems to be meant seriously. and it's just as stupid, or more.

ExEverest said:
You are correct on the account of me posting only on matters of DA2, but then again, that is the major RPG release of the month.

no, fuckface, AssCreed: Brohood is. no really, if you think of DA2 as an RPG...

also, you're a pretentious shit, go lurk some more
 

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