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Early names for "video games," and Death to "Videogames"

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, May 26, 2018.

  1. LESS T_T Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Via RPS, this is somewhat interesting article that explores how people called video games in the early days of "video games": https://gamehistory.org/a-video-game-by-any-other-name/

    This reminded me that this great blog post by game designer Greg Costikyan in 2003, where he explains how "videogame" is a stupid term and why it deserves to die. So, the above article is my excuse to post this lost blog post on Codex: https://web.archive.org/web/20160410153247/http://www.costik.com/weblog/2003_02_01_blogchive.html

    And you know the history. The name has stuck.
     
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  2. agentorange Arcane Patron

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    "If we are to understand games, we must learn to make meaningful distinctions. The term "videogame" makes none."

    video = moving images displayed on a screen.
    game = game

    makes sense and distinguishes it from boardgame, pen and paper games, etc.
     
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  3. Ash Arcane

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    The next step that is sorely needed is classification of the interactive experience/novel and its segregation from video games/the video game industry.
    Many walking sims or visual novel "games" like Telltale aren't games. There needs to be game rules and challenge for that.
    More and more the industry focuses on graphics, cinematics and storytelling. The game part has very much fallen to the wayside, so that's why this distinction is important to me.
    Can all the cinematics/graphics whores, storyfaggots etc stop ruining what makes games unique as a result of their shitty priorities and step aside? Video Games still need those things to be the special medium we all love, but they should never overshadow the core to the extent is has gotten today, collectively.
     
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  4. Morgoth Arcane Patron

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    But are video games art?
     
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  5. Glaucon Erudite

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    The usage of common phrases and words isn't something that can be fully, rationally controlled. These things have a life of their own.
     
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  6. agentorange Arcane Patron

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    Well, the funny thing is that the classification of Visual Novel already exists, like you point out. And before that Sound Novel (some still insist on using this term when they have less interaction than a Visual Novel). In Japan at least there have been cases where certain games were denied the classification of Visual Novel because they had too much gameplay (like the Silent Hill interactive story thing that had to be called a Play Novel because it had mini-games). So we already have these classifications, it's just for some reason people see being called a "game" as some kind of absolute end goal, despite the fact that being labeled a game in itself doesn't imply any measure of quality. It's funny that it's people like John Walker who insist on blurring the lines of these classifications; I am certain he would freak out if you dared to say that one of his favorite walking simulators didn't qualify as a "game," while in the next sentence he attacks the classification of game itself. To be fair I do think the classification of "Walking Sim" is pretty condescending and that's why people don't take to it well. You could just as easily call it something like a "Motion Novel."
     
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  7. Ash Arcane

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    There is classification and distinction, but it's more a genre classification and still falls under the video game umbrella: reviewed by the gaming press. Listed under "video games" in catalogues. Referred to in everyday speech/text as "games" and simply not recognised as not-games by the majority...
     
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  8. Raghar Arcane

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    I always used term "computer games", aka games that require powerful computing device to run.
     
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  9. Will continue calling them video games solely because it chaps Costikyan's ass
     
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  10. agentorange Arcane Patron

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    At a certain point there is just always going to be a divide between the layman's use of certain terms and the more academic (for lack of a better term) or technical application of terms. For example in art history when the term "romantic" comes up it is referring to a very specific period and aesthetic movement, not to romantic comedies or books with Fabio on the cover--but this is the use that will generally come to mind if you mention romance to the average person on the street, and it would be pointless to get hung up on it. In the same sense "game" is just used as a convenient shorthand to most people, even if we personally prefer to use these terms more specifically when having deeper discussions about games. The gaming press is layman, they're not held to any kind of standards and they just function as an extension of the vast advertising machine of publishers.
     
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    What about video games with Fabio on the cover?
     
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  12. Ash Arcane

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    I am aware the general public butcher the intended meaning of terms all the time and language evolves based on that. It's just I perceive non-games being classified as games to be a threat to the actual games, and that's why I am bitching about it.
     
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  13. lophiaspis Arbiter

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    "Videogames" is not a medium. The medium is better described as computer simulations, with gamified simulations as a small subset of those. A lot of people get confused into thinking that challenge based interactivity, aka gameplay, is somehow an inherent part of the computer medium. But this presents a logical contradiction: How can it be a new medium that arose with computers, and at the same time a mere continuation of an activity that goes back to prehistory?
     
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  14. J1M Arcane

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    I like 'digital game' as an umbrella term. Also agree with efforts to distinguish digital entertainment with input responses from actual games.
     
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  15. Bladeract It's Neckbeard Shitlord. Again. Dumbfuck

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    Sounds like they want a more inclusive term that includes facebook games and other garbage. No thanks. If video game has any reason to go it's so that computer games won't be confused with the console garbage it's already confused with.
     
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  16. Maggot Magister Patron

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    gameo playo, kino, ludo, bing bing wahoo
    all potential alternatives
     
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  17. Bladeract It's Neckbeard Shitlord. Again. Dumbfuck

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    So your a professional vidya gamer lol
     
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  18. agentorange Arcane Patron

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    I am yes.
     
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    I heard they used to be called 'interactive movies'
     
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  21. oddech_wymarlych_swiatow Arcane

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    In Poland people still use this name because for long time Poles didn't even know what game console is. First consoles were introduces much longer after their original release dates (Atari 2600 clones - late '80, Famiclones - early '90) so they were considered as inferior hardware for lower class.

    16 bit consoles were almost non existent (too expensive comparing to Famiclones and too limited comparing to PC/Amiga, just toys for spoiled brats). PSX/Saturn in '96 changed such point of view but 'computer games' term remained intact.
     
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    Videogames are dead. Videogames don't need to be your product.
     
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