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Epic vs Steam - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    passerby, if your only defense of Epic is "bu... but... Steam" then you have no defense of Epic.
     
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  2. passerby Learned

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    I do not defend anything, just counter mindless circlejerking and double standards with facts and reason.
     
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  3. Black Angel Arcane

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    What facts and reason? Metro Exodus selling 2.5 times more than LL doesn't tell us enough, because what is truly needed are real numbers. It might counts as fact to you, but it's a weak ass fact if you really think about it.

    And reason? What fucking reason you give? That two wrongs make a right? That Epic mishandles 1 person's data should be okay because Steam exposed 34k userdata? If you would actually use proper reasoning, I'm sure you wouldn't stupidly conclude that for everyone who called out Epic's bullshit of mishandling 1 person's data means Steam's past mistake is ((((((non-issue)))))). But since you're nothing but Epic Cum Dumpster™, everyone who called out Epic are Steam Fanboys™, with literally no GOG Fanboys there at all. Nuh uh, zero.
     
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  4. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

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    If the numbers were good, they would be flaunting them everywhere, this is obvious.

    Of course it's also very probable that the free money exclusivity deals contain a clause preventing devs/publishers from revealing the number of unites shipped via epic store (meaning: that their games sold like shit).

    Still, I reckon it's pretty much close to death sentence to smaller devs (say, the Operencia guys), unless they will be able to find more sugar daddies in form of exclusivity or crowdfunding for future projects.
     
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  5. passerby Learned

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    Yeah, you need a lot of media exposure and have in general a normie friendly product. That said blobbers sell like shit in general, being on Steam didn't help Vaporum for example.
    Edit: On the other hand, given how few games are on Epic currently and how much media attention Epic gets, discovery rate can be actually pretty good.

    It'll be interesting to see how Epic subsidized sale will work for them.
    Operencia for 5$, where dev gets 15$ and after taxes is left with over 40% more of this revenue than on Steam/GoG/whatever, should be pretty sweet deal for people more interested in supporting these kind of games, than in supporting an app they use to download said games.
     
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  6. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer

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    You are talking out of your wolfie ass.

    https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...-week-sales-surpass-2033-lifetime-sales-in-us
     
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  7. Belegarsson Savant Patron

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  8. passerby Learned

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    A lot of putting words and conclusions into someone elses mouth in these tweets, I just see a smart dude who avoids a PR shitstorm, when he sees it on the horizon.

    The sales may, or may not be shit, they probably are not great, but like I broke it down on the previous page, as long they sell 60% of what they would sell on Steam it'll be worth it.
     
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  9. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Whatever you think of Epic you guys have to give up this dream that exclusives don't work and the games will sell bad. I doubt Metro's numbers are that different than they would have been otherwise, and Borderlands 3 is going to sell like gangbusters for Epic. People will bitch and complain, but exclusives have been used in gaming for 30 years for a reason.
     
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  10. TheChickenKing Learned

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    I might be reading too much into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Epic lost a lot of trust with the sale very specifically, both from consumers and companies. After a few hours of some surprisingly good prices, the sale reversed course super hard into the territory of basically nothing being on sale at all. If you heard about the sale and wanted to check it out, you'd be left staring at a store page with a banner that still claims a sale is happening, but with hardly anything actually on sale. At the same time, the companies themselves won't be happy about Epic unilaterally deciding to lower the cost of their games for them, and potentially devaluing some fairly new releases to consumers. That's a serious party foul and - combining that with sales that might not be great - you've got a recipe for the Epic store being DOA.

    Borderlands 3 is their potential salvation, but Gearbox has been very open about how it's a timed exclusive. A lot of people dislike the Epic store enough that hatred might overcome a fear of missing out on a new release, especially if a given consumer has few-to-no friends picking it up on the Epic store. Why buy a coop game to play by yourself?

    Edit: Removed a typo.
     
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  11. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    LOL at "DOA." Also they still take the $10 off at checkout for pretty much everything except the few titles pulled from the store, so there's still some very good deals there. If you were gonna buy Outward right now you can do it for $31.99 on Steam or $21.99 on Epic because of the $10 off, and I'm sure there's many other examples of that. Will a lot of people like the ones in this thread pay more to avoid Epic? Probably, yeah. However will a lot of others say "hey that's cheap, screw it!" Yes, they will. And I will repeat that this is what you guys claimed you wanted Epic to do, use their war chest to make games cheaper for the consumer, so this is them taking the "consumer approved" tactic or whatever.

    Point is, exclusives work because they wear people down and get them to eventually buy a Playstation/Xbox/Nintendo or now install a new client. Sales work to get people to buy something. These are tactics as old as trading for grain, and you guys make me laugh when you act like everyone is this principled Steam loyalist who will go without and "stay strong." Nope, consumer behavior is very predictable, and they don't do that shit. There's a handful of wackos on the GOG forum who supposedly have never played anything with DRM on it, but how big a difference are they making in the industry? Like a grain of sand in an ocean, it's pointless.
     
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  12. Solid Snail Learned

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    Rune 2 Epic Exclusive but they beta-tested the game on Steam...
     
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  13. normie Learned Zionist Agent

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    that's only you, though, for the sake of a retarded strawman

    the fuck is your malfunction? we've already been over this with you, and like a jew you insist on rattling on with the same old nonsense with even more audacity, though you conceded the argument before
     
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  14. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Yeah dude, it's "only me" who sees that exclusives have worked to push consumer behavior in gaming for 30 years. I'm just alone here on my little island called reality.

    I don't know what you think I conceded, but I never changed my stance on this stuff.
     
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  15. DeepOcean Arcane

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    This piece of shit doesn't have even a shopping cart and people are being banned for buying too much stuff, yeah, that is real, and there are cucktards that think it is a great idea for us to be forced into buying into this piece of shit.
     
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  16. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    imagine unironically buying products from an anti-linux company
     
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  17. Black Angel Arcane

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    Not only you insist on the narrative that everyone who are irritated by Epic's shenanigans are "Steam loyalist", but you even doubt how big a difference DRM-free products made in the industry which supposedly renders GOG obsolete or whatever? And all your arguments supposedly means Epic will be some sort of salvation, despite fuck-ups after fuck-ups from being proven to be a literal spyware, putting games not yet released on a discounted pre-orders (which even double as being questionable in terms of legality), and outright banning users who bought multiple games during sales?

    Guys, what's lower than Epic Cum Dumpster™? Any suggestion? Epic Cock Sleeve™?
     
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  18. Grauken Arcane Patron

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    Unlike consoles, exclusives on Epic will only help to sell those specific exclusives, then people go right back to their portal of choice, which in most cases will be Steam. This is pretty much unlike consoles, where once an exclusive has made you buy the console in the first place, you already commited a large chunk of money to be part of that ecosystem and then will likely go on buy some of the smaller titles on that platform, which is the point. Exclusives on Epic will not make people buy some of the smaller, non-exclusive titles, so really, what's the long-term gain for Epic.
     
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  19. passerby Learned

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    It's enough if most people will be buying exclusives, selling significant numbers of non exclusives is a lost cause.
    Long term goal for Epic is to have a healthy venue to sell teir own, or published by them games without Steam cut and make some extra money by offering the same service to third parties.
    It should be more successful with it than Origin, if there will be 10x more exclusive releases and reasons for customers to visit it regularly.

    The only real fuckup is not matching at least GoG Galaxy in shop/app usability before they started, blows my mind a bit to be honest.
     
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  20. StrongBelwas Learned Patron

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    I imagine Epic assumes that companies that do well on the store will release future titles only on EGS and direct customers there to get the larger cut, no pile of money for exclusivity on their part required(At least that is the only realistic goal I can think of, Epic can't break even on most exclusives even if they weren't taking such a small cut.) The question is just how well does the game need to do for the publisher to feel safe doing that? Doing decently + a big ol sack of cash is one thing, but risking it with no back up plan is another thing entirely.
     
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  21. MadMaxHellfire Arcane

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    ftfy.
     
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  22. Grauken Arcane Patron

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    This. A company that shows open disdain for customer reviews basically says they don't give a fuck about customers
     
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  23. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Dude I hate all these fucking clients, you're not paying attention. If I'm a fanboy of anything it's GOG, but they have like a 4% market share. I can't pretend people give a shit about stuff they don't give a shit about.

    If I had my way all these bullshit clients and social features would be shot into the sun, but I can't have my way. Consumers gonna consumers, and they like clients and Facebook shit, and so here we are. My only points in this thread have been: 1) exclusives work, and you guys are fucking stupid if you don't think Epic is doing the one thing that could take market share from Steam, and 2) I don't really care which bullshit client I have to use and ignore while I play my singleplayer shit, because they're all bullshit.
     
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  24. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    Exclusives "work" inasmuch as it'll certainly get you 100% of sales during the period of exclusivity. The larger question is do they "work" over the long haul. Console exclusivity is an entirely different animal. If the end goal is for Epic to generate sustainable success in order to turn a profit then I don't see how their paying for exclusives work out in their favor. They've got little to no positive press and a metric ton of negative press. You also have to wonder what their short-term profits are like having to subsidize developers/publishers in order to get exclusive rights and even just to put their games on sale.

    We've yet to see whether exclusives "work" for PC.
     
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  25. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    I agree actually, yeah. They'll have to improve their client a lot, offer more and more sales, keep the exclusives going for a while and improve their PR. These are all tall orders. I'm just saying exclusives are the only thing that could shake the tree, and now they need to do the rest of the work. They've got enough of a war chest I'm sure to have a good bit of time, but we'll see.
     
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