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Epic vs Steam - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Dexter Arcane

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    Exclusives "work" on consoles because the platform owners either have bought and integrated developers entirely into their corporate structure and publishing strategy (what Microsoft is doing right now with Obsidian, InXile, Ninja Theory etc.) or are wholly paying for the development of AAA-type games and offer much bigger bribes than "Epic" can afford. Some of these products are planned out, developed, marketed and released over the duration of an entire console's lifespan. Epic doesn't even have "Exclusives" in the way consoles do, they have a 6-12 month period of Sales exclusivity achieved through bribes, which isn't the same as having to buy a Nintendo console for Mario or Zelda or PlayStation for... Uncharted and God of War I guess? Most publishers and independent developers rightfully rather release their games on most available platforms, since they naturally usually want to reach the broadest amount of customers possible and make the most profit, unless there's a mountain of bribe money that looks mightily attractive and could put a stop to that.

    In any way, as long as they continue with this business practice I will treat games only appearing on the Epic Store the same way I treat games releasing only on Xbox or PlayStation, which is largely ignore their existence and not pay them much mind. I've done this consistently for almost three decades, no matter how many "Halo's", "Dark Souls" and "Red Dead Redemption's" they dished out and tried to get me "hyped" about, and I don't see this changing any time soon because some idiots love to guzzle Tim Sweeney's cum.
    If they want me to purchase their products it's going to be on my terms and not theirs and they know where to reach me e.g. see what Microsoft is doing with Halo now.
     
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  2. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    The point is more that exclusives make you do something you don't really want to do in order to play them. No one WANTS to spend another $400 on a console when you already own a modern one. They do it to play X and Y game they can't play otherwise. If a console doesn't have enough exclusives then it doesn't sell as well, because less people feel the need to buy it. There's a shit-ton of other factors going on of course, but these companies wouldn't bankroll exclusive games if they weren't essential to success.

    Epic wants you to get games on their store instead of Steam, something most people don't want to do for various reasons. Exclusives will push people to do it.
     
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  3. Grauken friEndlY mUrdErhObO Patron

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    That is true, I thought I was finished with [​IMG] stuff, but now
     
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  4. Belegarsson Think about hairy dwarfs all the time ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Patron

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    Thing is, their realistic expectation should just be to co-exist with Steam, not siphoning their userbase, because no one in their right mind will abandon their huge existing library to play the new, fresh games in the market. People can have more than one platform, but once they invest in those even with just a little amount, no way they would leave them behind.

    That's why I think the idea of Epic's platform exclusive is dumb. People who are disgusted with their moves are the ones that can't be swayed easily and they will have a hard time convincing that potential userbase to come back in future. People who couldn't hold their horse and decided to cave in for two or three Epic exclusives, are they truly stable playerbase or once they get bored with Satisfactory, WWZ or whatever the sensation of the month that was, they would just leave the Epic launcher in the dust and continue with Steam games that's holding their attention for a long time? Of course I'm talking out of my ass here because I don't belong to the crowd that's into those games, but the way Epic store's operating is like testing out a pair of anti-heat boots on lava. Of course, their attitude don't help.
     
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  5. Ismaul Citizen First Class #3333 Patron

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    Good point. Against Epic. A despicable strategy.

    And you're here defending it. Why? Because "it works" and "it's the only way to enter the market and compete with Steam". While the first might be true, it's not the only thing that works. And the second is blatantly false: you can compete by providing a better product for the customer. And that works.

    I can't believe you aren't paid for this shilling.
     
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  6. Dr Skeleton Cipher

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    True, people who want to get game X that's unavailable outside of Epic will go to Epic to buy it, outside of a (probably not very big) group that will wait out the exclusivity period to get it on Steam later, ignore it because of exclusivity/Epic store or pirate it. I think the question people are asking is why would anyone who didn't want to go to Epic in the first place but did just for one specific exclusive buy other games there. It's not like they're going to be wooed by the store once they get there because the store is bare-bones at best and the customer already has a game library tied to another platform with better features. If you buy a console, you invested into that console and are more likely to buy other games there because of that sunk cost, if you installed the Epic store only because it had one game you wanted what exactly is keeping you there after beating that game?
     
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  8. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    Well, I guess that's settled then?

    If Steam doesn't have exclusives, then Epic doesn't have them either since they both serve the same platform: the PC.

    In the meantime I still can't play some games I want without using Steam, but hey... umm... at least they have a nice attitude? Oh yeah, and Gaben's dick tastes so sweet. PC MASTER RACE COLLECTING TRADING CARDS AND PARTICIPATION AWARDS!!!!
     
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  9. Grauken friEndlY mUrdErhObO Patron

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    Eh, no, not worth it

    It's okay, nobody's judging you here
     
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  10. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    I'm not defending it really. I just think it makes business sense, and was the only way to compete with Steam. That doesn't mean I like it. As I said in the posts you quoted but you edited out, I hate all these fucking clients and wish they'd die in a fire.
     
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  11. Ismaul Citizen First Class #3333 Patron

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    So you're just taking le piss by being a contrarian.

    Please cunt-in-you.
     
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  12. passerby Savant

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    We are not contrarian for the sake of it, we are just reasonable. I also find it offputting how perspective of the other clients of the store is not even worth of discussion here.

    In general people and companies that create goods turn less profit then freeloaders ( taxes ) and distribution, while provide all creativity and take all financial risk, because we are living in a society. In case of digital distribution it's only even more absurd.
     
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  13. Grauken friEndlY mUrdErhObO Patron

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    Libertard detected
     
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  14. Cromwell Arcane

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    :lol: you are the same as all the other reasonable posters here, mostly found in GD, years old account and about two posts outside of the thread you decided will be your personal loony bin. You are the oneself of this thread.
     
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  15. passerby Savant

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    Parasite detected, see I can play this game too.
     
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  16. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    Speak for yourself. I'm contrarian because I despise Steam and all the retarded shit they invented.
    And while I have no love for Epic (and who knows what other shit they'll come up with too) and they won't get any cent from me ever (just like Steam won't), butthurting steamtards feels so good. And nothing butthurts a hypocrite more than pointing out their hypocrisy.
     
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  17. Grauken friEndlY mUrdErhObO Patron

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  18. Black Angel Arcane

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    I don't fucking care if you hate all these clients. Why are you even here, anyway? You trying to play devil's advocate with the others just because you hate Steam with your very own guts makes you looks like a fool, or worse, a fucking cuck. I'm pretty sure no one here are saying Steam is a literal saint who cared for every single need of every type of consumers, but just because Steam made mistakes it doesn't excuse Epic's bullshit. And there are many way to compete with Steam without leaving the consumers in the dust, strong arming products and signing exclusivity deals ain't one of them.

    From where did you get those 4% number anyway? I'm pretty sure since they've been building up their stores for a good while, starting from very old games and still do with recent release of Diablo 1 and Warcraft 1&2, to providing a catalog full of DRM-free products. Not to mention they're associated with The Witcher 3, which literally shifted the masses perception of genuinely quality products and good services, I find it hard to believe they don't have a recognizable market share at this point.

    See, this is what I hate the most from people like you who hates Steam with their guts and, allegedly, ((((not)))) defending Epic at all. It's okay that you as a consumer act like a king you are, but you and I are just as king as the other. You might not have gotten this through that thick skull of yours which houses a sorry ass piece of rotting meat you call brain, but just so you know there are a bazillion people out there, like me, who lived in third world country and have meager access to physical copies of video games. And what games available for purchase, will burn through our wallet especially for those who consistently buy games. Steam literally cured my piracy when I discovered its existence as a storefront in 2013-2014, which is also fortunately around the time they began implementing regional pricing that's also reasonably adjusted based on the country so they're cheaper based on where I live. Since I discovered that Steam didn't exactly sell me the actual games, and instead selling me the right to play the games (except for DRM-free ones, of course) I almost always buy there only during sale, and only buy stuff full price from promising indie developers and those who don't use Steam DRM. I'd like to shift to GOG completely, in fact I'm keeping a close eye on what games I can transfer to my GOG account via GOG Connect, but as of now they don't have reasonably adjusted regional pricing like Steam do so I rarely buy games from GOG.

    Go ahead and call me poor, because you know who else are poor? Indie developers who made genuinely quality products who obviously won't be able to afford manufacture of physical copies and paying %cut to retailers. They might be able to afford to do so where they're based on, but they sure as hell won't even consider doing it thousands of miles away in the middle of a third world country.

    Console exclusivity are fundamentally different, because as others already pointed out which you just conveniently ignored, they make you buy a piece of hardware with which they lure customers to buy more stuff there. Why would it work for Epic in the long run when there are legitimately better storefronts out there? And if you still think all Epic really need is improving their service, well it's already way too fucking late. They had all the time in the world to just take a glance at how Steam and GOG run their stores, or they could've spend more time doing their research and implementing all the essentials, but they didn't. I don't know if a shopping cart is part of their future plan, but if it is, the fact that it didn't made it in time for their Mega Sale should've been a big red sign for anyone having second thoughts about going there at all.

    You're right, exclusives really make people do something they don't really want to. Steam made me put down the black flag, but thanks to Epic, as Grauken pointed out, it actually makes me want to raise the black flag once more and sail the Seven Seas.

    But seriously, in case you guys still think exclusives will work, let me point out a PC exclusivity that happens more than a year ago. Remember Age of Empires: Definitive Edition? Microsoft has been around for a long time now, so it's not improbable that they have bigger market share than Epic. AoE:DE was released exclusively on Microsoft Store, and up until now there's only rumors of it coming to Steam. I was looking around googling if it's a financial success, but nah, zero news on how it fares. I'm not an economic expert, but if the game actually does well being sold exclusively on Microsoft Store, should there be news about it? Not to mention to also lure general audience and convince them that a sizable chunk of their consumer base is satisfied with buying from there?
    Meanwhile, Age of Empires 2 HD Edition definitely does sells like hotcakes. Steamspy listed the owners as between 5 to 10 millions, and even if we don't go there Steam listed as many as ~46k people reviewed the game, 94% of them are satisfied with the product, and ~5k people are currently playing it right now. So, what's wrong with AoE:DE not selling as well as AoE2, even though the way I see it the nostalgia for the first game is just as strong as its sequel?

    Now, you guys might point out that AoE2HD isn't available on other stores like GOG, but you can still buy it from reseller sites like Humble Bundle. Also, Steam definitely didn't sign an exclusivity deal with the publisher, because if they do we would've heard of it. So, just like any other Steam ((((((exclusives)))))) out there, other than games actually developed and published by Valve themselves, it's obvious the publisher of AoE2HD decided to only sell on Steam and other reseller sites, and not also releasing the game on GOG for whatever reason. Most probably because AoE2 has a huge multiplayer component which makes it require multiplayer functionality conveniently provided by Steamworks, and hence they can't release on GOG without similar functionality. And at the end of the day, this is nothing like PC exclusivity shenanigan that Epic's currently doing, no matter how your cucks want to twist and turn this into Steam ((((((exclusive)))))).

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  19. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    I doubt anyone disagrees with that but, as noted, it's only half the story.
     
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  20. Reinhardt Arcane

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    Still zero games even worth pirating in epic store.
     
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  21. SionIV Erudite Patron

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    I bought my PS3 to play Demon's Souls. Would I have bought it if I knew it would have came out on the Xbox360 a year later? No.

    I bought my PS4 to play Bloodborne. Would I have bought it if I knew it would have came out on the PC a year later? No.

    It's not the same as exclusivity on a console. I don't mind waiting a year to pick up a new title. I have a backlog that would last me for at least a couple of years. I've enjoyed both Borderlands and Borderlands 2, but I'm not buying Borderlands 3 from the Epic Game Store. If I end up wanting to buy it, I'll buy it on steam. Secondly, if I can wait an entire year for a game to arrive on steam, then I sure as hell can wait an additional 6 months for it to be on sale.
     
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    I'm here to shoot the shit about the big PC news. I'm here to say "all these clients are bullshit I ignore so who cares, but I think this makes sense from a business perspective for Epic" because that's how I feel about it. You guys can get as butthurt as you want about that, and write me ten paragraphs about how growing up in potato Steam found you as a little orphan and raised you into a man, but it doesn't really change my perspective.
     
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    BROS THE FUCKING PASSION ANS EXCITEMENT HERE

    LOLOLLOLLOL I HATE INSTALLING A NEW CLIENT I INSTAALLED EPIC ONCE BECAUSE THE GAVE AWAY SHADOW CONSPIRACY BUT THEN I UNINSTALLED IT

    INSTALLED UBISTUFF TO PLAY FAR CRY 3 ANS BLOOD DRAGON THEB UNINSTALLED IT FIRST TIME I SAW IT COME UP AFTER I WAS DONE WITH THOSE GAMEA

    SO IN OTHER WORDS WHATEVER BROS I HAVE MORE GAMES THAB TIME ANYWAYS
     
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  25. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Somewhat surprised by that just because I thought consoles were very quickly going just as digital as PC. If Epic has the highest digital revenue though, while consoles combined sold more overall, then a lot of people got it on disc.
     
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