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Epic vs Steam - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Ismaul Arcane Patron

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    It'd set a way worse precedent for Steam if they went on the offensive and started taking down pages that their users use.

    Steam's reaction to Epic's tactics can in no way harm their users, otherwise they'd be just like Epic, but worse in the eyes of some vocal people, being in the "dominant oppressor" position.
     
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    No one is suggesting that they need to take down their store pages.
     
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  3. Azalin Arcane Patron

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    They can easily fix this problem with a tweak,let's say tell developers that forums can be opened 6 months before the steam release date
     
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    The interesting thing is is whether the Epic exclusives' availability on MS store provides enough evidence that "Epic exclusivity = no Steam" is there by intent that it'd open up an opportunity for an anti-trust lawsuit.
     
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    Looks like it's a new trend in Epic exclusivity - Early Access on Epic, final release on Steam: https://braceyourselfgames.com/2019...unch-as-early-access-on-the-epic-games-store/

     
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    Great. Early access with zero infrastructure in place for the players to report bugs. Genius!
     
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    It'll be hilarious if the developers outright tell them to just use the Steam forums.
     
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    Looking at Phantom Brigade discord the lead developer seems to think Epic's "bribes" as funding that comes with relatively few strings attached.
     
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    Oh God, i hope this happens, and this reminds me that i should check the road map to see if Epic is planning to make forums for games or not, i mean, they already said they won't allow for reviews which is another great way of warning people if an Early Acess game is really bad, but i am now curious if they will go as far as not having forums as well.

    And my God, i can't remember the last time that Valve was anything close to the good guy in terms of digital stores, GOG and Humble Bundle were always the good boys, now Epic is basically the real bad boy trying to sell games from a van while Valve is the kid that we disliked but later found out that, while still a bit of an asshole, is not as bad as we thought.
     
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    Oh it always come with few strings attached at first.

    But think what would happen if EGS replaced Steam as the highest selling digital store, would they remain the same few strings attached? EGS needs those titles to shore up their profolio and this is a relation of power, they have to offer a better deal that other storefronts for the sake of a exclusive but the moment they stop needing having exclusives the situation changes and at that time those deals would cease because they arent profitable for Epic that only does then out of specific need.

    Also other storefronts know that are a storefront and in the end its not the supplier that matters, its the customer because he is the one that buys things from the store to begin with, its a strange world were the seller demands the buyer to court then as if they are the ones that matter most on the transaction ... no, its a question of power and the buyer will only court the seller if they really want what the seller is offering and that is rarely the case.

    I suppose in the Age of Entitlement (and Lack of Mirrors) that, that they are are offering goods or services and they arent entitled to clients, they actually have to work for then ... and this behavior is seen with "indies" that have a incredible inflated ego as someone their game should by the simple fact it was done by then already selling 10 million copies, doesnt work that way.

    This is not a jab at all small studios and there are certain people that worked their butt off for their game but there are people that look at EGS and think "thats how I should always be treated" forgetting Epic is only doing that because somehow they believe that Walking Simulator 2020 that would sell maybe 10k copies on Steam would bring said 10k customers to the EGS and the moment they dont need Walking Simulator 2022 to bring 10k customers they will soon find about Epic curating system.
     
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    The retards think selling overpriced and underpowered hardware means they "deserve" their cut.

    Same thinking that makes the same trash fine with paying monthly to use their own internet for multiplayer. They think unreliable, awful, simplistic features are worth the money for some godforsaken reason.
     
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    Easy, Steam is the one big store and thus Valve must have all the money in the world and can easily lower their percentage, it's not as if that would require big changes and lots of talks inside the company.

    Look, i bet they could lower their percentage somewhat, but i honestly don't know, i don't call myself an expert on financial situations, but yeah, Steam aren't the only guys with that kind of percentage, others do it as well.
     
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    Valve store is better and has more features so of course they should have bigger cut. It's only fair.
     
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  16. Ismaul Arcane Patron

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    Might just be a rebranding of exclusives as early access, to soften the PR blow. Language manipulation.

    I wonder how Epic's liking that their exclusivity has been reduced to early access. Did they even approve that language use by the devs? Maybe someone's getting an earful.
     
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    the issue people have with "steam allowing this" is that they put up a store page, get access to the steam database and other resources and then abandon ship and leave for epic while getting paid by epic, but then still have access to steam dev tools and the database, which effectively lets them build the game using the benefits of steam without ever paying their cut. outer worlds is still being updated on steam.db and they are using it upload/test dev builds, etc.

    It'd be like if you owned a retail store and a company had stock in your store room and then tells you they are not going to sell their item in your store but are still going to continue to use your storeroom to store their products. it's absurd.
     
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  18. taviow Liturgist

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    I think Valve should require a commitment that the game will release on Steam as long as it's decided that it will have a Steam page and preorders are being sold. If they are selling preorders on Steam, then IT WILL release on Steam. It's not exclusivity or any such thing, it's just enforcing selling games on Steam from the moment a publisher decides to sell preorders on it.
     
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    Well, all those games will be sold on Steam eventually, so Valve will get their cut. If, on the other hand, Valve cuts those devs off, they won't be getting any commission on those games ever.
     
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    That really sounds odd and fucked up, but not uncommon in the business world (start working and send me your invoice, and I will eventually pay you at a predetermined time). You would think that the "fair" thing to do would be to kick those devs out and let them in until their games are available on Steam.
     
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    Note that this issue (namely Epic bribees continuing to use Steam's platform for publicity and visibility) would be much simpler to address if not for the deeply cancerous modern phenomenon of building hype communities several years in advance of a game's release. I know it's hard to believe now, but back in the day development was generally done quietly; games were announced just a few months before they were set to be released. In these latter days, the hype typically begins before a game even enters development.

    Of course, it helped that development cycles in 1995 were a fraction of the length of today's.
     
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  22. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Yeah,the industry has really bloated,it will be fun when it burst tho.
     
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    Agreed, I know people who are more hyped over the "breath of the wild sequel is now in development" announcement over anything else in the recent Nintendo E3 direct.
    But they're also the same people who think DQ protags are literal whos, so I wasn't expecting a good opinion from them anyway.
     
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    SNK has recently implied that a certain PC store went to them and offered money equivalent to many game sales in order to have the game be exclusive on their store, i wonder who that could have been now?

    By the way, SNK refused, but that's mostly because they are certain that having the game in more stores will sell more, and Samurai Showdown as a brand name makes them believe they will sell enough copies to justify not accepting the certain PC store's offer for exclusivity.

    I mean, SNK is not the biggest developer but they are still bigger than a small studio, but it's still funny that they refused Epic's money and then made what is basically a passive-agressive comment on Twitter saying "Yeah, someone offered us money, but honestly, we are so good we don't need the handicap, so suck it!".
     
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    To be fair, plenty of devs on steam already pretty much ignore the steam forums and expect everyone to use either reddit or now discord. The problem with those platforms being that the ultra fanboys tend to use them so any criticisms, including totally valid things like bugs or horrible imbalances, get dogpiled into oblivion. Though discord at least has the advantage of making it easy to know if you've gotten a dev's attention if they reply right away.
     
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