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Epic vs Steam - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. c2007 Savant

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    I remember all of the bullshit from BioWare corporate, when they were shutting down the official forums.

    Always chasing the money of children, this corporate world is designed to do. Influencers.... When I was in high school this shit was looked down upon as "peer pressure". Modern parents should have been aborted themselves.
     
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  2. Gerrard Arcane

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    They will probably tell them to use Discord.
    Which actually reminds me of the time when devs would post game news on fucking Facebook instead of the game's own site, forums, or Steam page, you know, places where actual consumers might look for it.
     
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  3. Zombra Arcane Patron

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    Just want to pop in to this sidebar for a moment to say that Discord is garbage as a substantial communication tool.
     
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  4. Steamboat Willie Learned

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    Agreed. It's Reddit 2.0.
     
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  5. Reinhardt Arcane

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    So basically instead of just buying on steam and then discussing on steam you have to first install epic and then install even more shit to discuss it. See, "competition" is good for you, goy.
     
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    Codex 2012 MCA


    Came across this, nice information there, but it's long video.
     
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    "This game has sold hundreds of thousands of copies on the Epic Games Store! WOW, the Epic Games Store is so successful!"
     
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  10. Rahdulan Arcane Patron

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    Ah yes, bean counter's hardest decision - how much money to let go off in pursuit of customer goodwill.
     
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  11. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    Just remember this moment the next time 100 people on Twitter get a company to cover up some woman's tits.
     
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    Except people complaining about tits don't buy games at all, and in this case people ALREADY bought game.

    And developers didn't asked trannies from twitter for money promising there will be no titties on cover.
     
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  13. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    I absolutely think if they said Steam during the crowdfunding they need to provide it now, I said that before. I'm just cautioning you on celebrating the power of loud people on social media making companies change things they don't like. It's gonna fuck you in the ass way more than it helps you.
     
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  14. Reinhardt Arcane

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    People don't asking Deep Silver to change things they don't like. They are asking to fullfill their promise or return already paid fucking money. Which could lead to lawsuit.
    No one owes nothing to random "loud people" but in this case it's totally opposite. Paying customers should defend their rights and they have every right to be angry.
     
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  15. Blaine Cis-Het Oppressor Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    "Consumers demanding ethical fulfillment of a business transaction as it was presented to them before they paid is EXACTLY the same thing as femilards with no interest or investment in the product trying to bully Japanese developers into making the female characters flat and shapeless."

    DalekFlay, leading gaming industry expert
     
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  16. Cromwell Arcane

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    Still I wouldnt buy from them again. Changing their minds after people got angry is not enough in this Case because it isnt a case of "well we didnt expect you feel this strongly about X" its a Case of "well, so you really did not like us fucking you in the ass with a sledgehammer who would have thunk it?".

    I could forgive companies for pandering to sjws when for whatever reason they think they are a paying majority (although it should be clear now that thats not the case). But this situation was clear cut from the start so it shouldnt earn them any goodwill to change things back now.
     
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  17. Rahdulan Arcane Patron

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    Major sticking point is some believe Kickstarter is the equivalent of buying a product ahead of time or investing in a specific product, when in reality it's more akin to donating to a common goal and getting something out of it at some point. I agree with having to deliver on what you promised under that initial pitch that got people to give you their money for in the first place.
     
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    oh, ok. we'll have to watch out for "loud people" on social media them. :roll:

    kind of a broad category there, dude.
    you do realize that it's been used hundreds, if not thousands of times negatively and positively already, right?

    I mean, if indeed all mass complaints fit into the same category of "loud people" AND this were a can of worms, we're hardly the ones opening it.
    This. Historically, companies have usually tried to listen to their customers. It's just smart business.

    The problem is when people who aren't the target niche get involved just to change things for the sake of politics or their personal gripes.

    It could take the form of an outcry on social media, or it could take the form of a fat, pink haired feminist writing/rewriting plotlines and characters for political reasons.

    It could also take the form of game journos trying to shame developers for making their game too hard, or busibody senators trying to please soccer moms by legislating censorship.

    Social media and "loud people" are not themselves the problem. ACTUAL consumer outcry is necessary feedback sometimes, both for companies and the industry as a whole. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
     
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  19. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    probably because kickstarters are often marketed specifically as if you are getting something ahead of time.
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity
    Looks like a preorder with bonuses to me.

    also, a lot of wise companies now understand that kickstarter is more of a marketing tool than it is a way to fund a complete project. they really are just offering preorders and hoping to generate excitement and buzz by having a group of core excited and invested fans.

    not that we've ever seen such invested fans shill games on RPG forums or demand neutral-positive reviews or anything, right? :M
     
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    It's not just about niches, it's about small minorities that make a big stink and effect the majority. You have zero idea how many people actually are bothered by using the Epic Store instead of Steam, so you don't really have any idea how different it is from say the 5% of the Call of Duty audience that is female throwing a hissy fit about boob armor or whatever you're hinting at. I agree in this case getting them to deliver on what they promised is the path of the righteous man, but this power is used for evil as much as it is for good. The more giving loud social media posts a lot of power becomes the norm, the more fucked over we'll be by radical asshats screaming like babies.
     
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  21. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    again, the point that's been made to you is that it's not the same as feminists targeting games they don't really give a shit about.
    I am. So that's at least one.
    you tell me. you're the one who hinted first.

    barely 7% of COD fans are female according to some estimates, so I really doubt even 5% of the COD would be involved in such a decision.

    again, it's nothing to do with numbers. It's about the target audience. The people who the game was originally for. Even if it's 2 people.

    And even if they weren't different, which they are, complaints are a tool in the toolbox. Not all wrenches should be banned from use just because someone murders someone else with one. Not all guns should be banned because an enemy kills one of your allies with one.

    And more importantly, your personal refusal to use the tool of complaint will not stop the other side from using it to their ends, as they've done countless times now.

    It's been "the norm" since before social media and the internet existed. Boycots, protests, letter writing campaigns. Your granddad probably saw as much of this stuff as you do now, albeit over different issues.

    The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Complain louder. Show companies what actual customers think.

    This worked with USAA when they pulled ads from FoxNews based on SJWs threatening to cancel their nonexistant accounts with them. (A mostly military bank whose customers are worried about social justice? Not likely.)

    Thousands of calls from actual customers threatening to pull their money out of their bank and they changed their minds.
     
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  22. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    I agree with all this, but I think you're making a distinction between this case and the EGS shit that doesn't necessarily exist. It's not a hill I want to die on though, so whatever.
     
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    Yeah, it's dumb to think of kickstarter as a store, but promising a pledge reward and then going ehhhhhhh, we changed our minds about that because someone paid us to and for no other reason, come on man, that fucking sucks.
     
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  24. Ironmonk Learned

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    I don't know if anyone came up with this idea already... I just checked on Steam and if you visit Deep Silver publisher/developer page on Steam you can set a option to ignore games published/developed by them.

    Maybe they can see the number of people ignoring their games? If that is the case, wouldn't be interesting if people that contributed to the kickstarter (and maybe others) start a campaing to put them into the ignore list to raise the pressure?
     
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  25. Dexter Arcane

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    It's not "dumb", it's exactly what it is. There is no difference between KickStarter and a Store Pre-Order for the law, for one even KickStarter's own terms state that:
    But that wouldn't matter, since once you enter into a purchase agreement with money in exchange for wares to a third party, they better fulfill it or there'll be hell to pay. It can come to FTC fines, AG offices coming after you or Class Action Lawsuits and even bankrupt your company and/or you personally, here's some reading:
    https://associatesmind.com/2015/10/26/the-coming-age-of-kickstarter-class-actions/
    https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/ag-makes-crowdfunded-company-pay-shady-deal
    https://www.businessinsider.com/how...ckstarter-made-an-average-guy-bankrupt-2013-1

    Some people keep saying shit like "KickStarter is just Donations!" or "KickStarter is an Investment!" or other stupid shit like that, this is wishful thinking on their part and not a legal argument or analysis of the situation. If you don't want to deliver a product and get sued into bankruptcy, better not promise it in exchange for a specific amount of money in the first place. Just promise a "Thank You" E-Mail or something that you know you can deliver, and say that you're trying your best or whatever, because once something is done, it's done. If you defraud or trick people and plan on not delivering what you promised and don't offer refunds, you might get away with it because it's such a tiny amount of money they won't complain or press any charges, or the Backers are super-fans in the first place and not particularly ill disposed towards you and understanding of your plight, but all the legal risks are on you and Backers just need to initiate the legal process to get their due.
     
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