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Epic vs Steam - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. thesecret1 Learned

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    That has nothing to do with it. Just like subsidies, this is a pretty clear case of distortion of free market, only instead of a government doing it, it's a company.
     
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  2. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    IMO people actually aren't arguing against Schreier's point of view strongly enough.

    He says "I want there to be more stability for game developers." What that essentially means is "I want there to be more games".

    I think that's something gamers should actually considering being against. They should want there to be fewer games.

    https://www.pcinvasion.com/epic-games-store-quietly-delays-most-features-set-for-july/

     
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  4. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Fuck,people install this cancer and then i have the dumbfuck tag.......we live in society.
     
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    Methods are the same, but difference is Epic dont have guns and cant make selling on EGS mandatory so the market will be ok and their most likely failure will not drain money from taxes, just fortnite skins. Also I'm pretty sure Valve could sue Epic for tortious interference for games that showed Steam logo in promotional materials, but probably don't care enough and will create bad PR.
     
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  6. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    But of course in reality it's not artistic indie bluechecks who have been getting Epic bux, but various "mid-core" titles like Phoenix Point and The Outer Worlds. It'll end in tears.
     
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  7. Politician Lurker King

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    Epic is trying to make a profit in the long run, but their develops are parasites that are afraid of poor sales and player’s negative reviews. Epic will fail and the games released under this platform will be completely trash because they are designed in an unhealthy environment.
     
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  8. ultimanecat Erudite

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    It should be clear from Schreier's other galaxy brain comments in that twitter thread that he has no interest in broadening the market (he's spouting "Hi twitter I just learned about socialism what is this?" anti-capitalism nonsense right now).
     
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    Has anyone done a study yet about why is socialism correlated so strongly with low T, underdeveloped face features and lisp?
     
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  10. Drakron Arcane

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    Of course, EGS is after big names and that is why they gone after The Division 2 since they could rely on Ubi to make the marketing but this is also the problem, Ubi have their own store and from the "main publishers" only Activision lacks their own launcher and store and Activision isnt going to take a bite unless EGS would eat the losses and at this point the push is for "game as services" so smaller install base means smaller profits.

    EGS main bet have to be "second tier" publishers that still dont rely on microtransactions and are within Epic payolla range, for the really small ones EGS is both good and bad ... good in the sense its draining Steam from competing titles and thus raise their visibility but bad because it can trigger a second Indypocalypse since the second tier publishers will suffer when EGS stops their payolla and that will trickle down the chain.
     
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  12. Belegarsson Erudite Patron

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    It's pretty amusing that the Ooblets dev's attitude is a stark contrast to the game's aethestic.
     
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  13. Pika-Cthulhu Arcane

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    Shouldnt that be 'potential consumer', and isnt that fuck supposed to be a consumer advocate not some fucking mouthpiece?

    Is kotaku getting bags of cash from sweeney or does this fucking tard do it for free?
     
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  14. V_K Arcane

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    On the contrary, it's a perfect match:

     
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  15. Reinhardt Arcane

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    So maybe epic should copy already existing steam features first? Just thinking.
     
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  16. TheImplodingVoice Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    I mean the chinks and gooks are good at stealing ideas, tech etc. So it's strange that Epic hasn't already stolen all the features of Steam yet.
     
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  17. CthuluIsSpy Arcane

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    Yeah, like an ETA and a UI that doesn't make you want to immediately close the client because of how shitty it is.
     
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  18. what am i doing Learned

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  19. GrainWetski Arcane

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    They hate "gamers" which is why they shill so much for Epic and consoles.
     
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  20. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer

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    This is true. Just look at the tweets from Jason Scheier. Even though he wrote a few articles about crunch and sexism in gaming, other than those, he always sucks up to corporations, and kicks consumers in the mouth.
     
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  22. TheImplodingVoice Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    I almost bought Metro Exodus from the EGS when it came out. But ended up buying it on PS4. But I will definitely pick it up on Steam next year as well. But my brief time on the EGS was enough to not want to make me use it ever again. Have they added user reviews yet. Steam has saved me a lot of money thanks to user reviews.
     
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  23. cvv Arcane Patron

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    A review is what someone else thinks of a game. Why the eternal fuck should I care one tiny iota about that? Aggregate scores like Metacritic or Steam are just aggregates of irrelevant shit. The only valid way to check if a game is to your personal liking is to watch a gameplay video or download a demo, and even that is not super reliable. Trusting someone else's opinion has always been a mark of dementia and that's even notwithstanding shady shit like review bombing or review planting.
     
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  24. markec Twitterbot Patron

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    Personally I find Steam user reviews are helpful to see the state of games made by small developers that get little mention in the media.

    Like Steam reviews pointing out games got well received at start but that devs promised lots of features that would be added after release or during early access but they stopped releasing new content.

    Or some asian game that are released with horrible localization or broken ports.
     
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  25. Rahdulan Arcane Patron

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    I think it's also where the review comes from. I don't necessarily have to agree with the reviewer, but his "expertise" at least has to align with what he's reviewing. It's why you don't get the resident sports reviewer to cover, I don't know, MMORPGs or vice versa. On Steam it comes down to people who's opinions you know matter because they come from related background so they have a valid point of reference going beyond last year's overhyped AAA title. Kinda like how, in my opinion at least, there's really no better place to go for RPG takes other than RPG Codex. You get the occasional contrarian and this place is hardly immune to bandwagons at times yet you can at least rely on most people to really speak with extensive accumulated experience so you collate it to some basic "pros vs cons" list if nothing else. Just like with everything it still comes down to separating wheat from the chaff, though. Fact is all opinions are not created equal.
     
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