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Epic vs Steam - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Nah, that one really was due to AAA publishers pulling back from Steam, at least that's likely the main reason.
     
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  2. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Yes, they should've hit the ground running with all the standard features, not add them in the course of this year.

    That said our point is the very existence of competition is great, will produce benefits that wouldn't exist on a near-monopoly market and the exclusive BS is hardly something anyone likes but it's a small price to pay, seeing as launchers, unlike consoles, are free. It's not a hard point to see but somehow people are so emotional about this shit they keep missing it.
     
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  3. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    These things were a long time coming. EA left, Activision left, and finally Bethesda left (selling Fallout 76 on their own and expressing doubt (aka a veiled message) whether or not they'd sell their future titles on Steam. Steam is losing hundreds of millions by not selling the AAA titles which is a much bigger problem for them than Gollop's little game.

    The fact that Steam didn't do it for everyone else (games that sell under a million copies) tells you that Steam still dominates that market and isn't worried about competition.

    If memory serves me right, it was the other way around. Unity started gaining popularity like crazy, which threatened Unreal and forced them to cut the rates to make it more accessible.

    There's no argument that IF Epic becomes a successful store, it WILL force Steam to cut the rates for everyone else not just the AAA boys. It will be a good thing and everyone will benefit from it. The problem is that Epic went a very retarded way about it and the original manifesto underlines the cluelessness:

    This led to a slew of valuable insights that Galyonkin says directly informed the Epic store’s feature set. For instance, forums and other social media-like tools—a cornerstone of Steam—won’t be part of the package. Galyonkin said that this is because “not a single developer I talked to wanted forums” and “the toxicity it brings,” preferring to interact with communities on their own terms on platforms like Reddit and Discord instead.​

    Hmm... what could possibly go wrong...

    https://www.pcgamer.com/epic-games-store-users-have-been-turning-to-steam-for-subnautica-support/

    Epic Games Store users have been turning to Steam for Subnautica support
    With no forums, they're heading back to Steam for help.
     
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  4. Don Peste Arcane

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    Epic Humble Bundle when?
     
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  5. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    I don't recall anyone saying that competition isn't great or that it doesn't produce benefits. My point is that so far Epic approached it the wrong way that shows lack of understanding of the market. The problem isn't that they didn't add the forums and reviews right away. The problem is that they were convinced these things weren't necessary because developers bitched about them. It shows the lack of vision and strategy. If all they can do (at best) is to copy Steam's features that players have become accustomed to, instead of thinking of features Steam doesn't have yet to lure in new players, then nothing good will come out of it.

    I know you don't like Steam and want more competition which is fine, but you can't tell me with a straight face that you read all that bullshit about toxic forums and think:

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. cvv Arcane Patron

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    I do agree with all that. I said that from day one, at least since the Metro deal blew up. The entire Epic enterprise seems incredibly half-assed, undercooked and poorly thought out. Looks like a sudden fit of panic more than anything else.

    That said VAST majority of anti-Epic Codexers seems to resent not the execution but the very fact that competition comes with a price (a tiny one in this case). I thought you were one of those.
     
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  7. Perkel Arcane

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    Nah i think they perfectly know the market here.

    1. People don't give a shit about grandstanding when their $ is on the line or their favorite game.
    2. Only way to get hard into market and carve away decent amount of chunk from Steam is to do what exactly they are doing.
    3. They perfectly know that all naysayers today have short memory and they won't give a flying fun in a year time when they will have most of features which they stated on trello.

    Steam is best example of that. Velve forced everyone on their 56k modem to install piece of shit DRM called Steam for Half Life 2 that barely fucking worked and you couldn't even play it offline at the time which was major pain in ass.

    Because they knew "gamers" are grandstanding from no value position.

    I don't see how it is not accurate. Health is overall competition on PC digital store market. What Epic is doing is colonoscopy.

    And there are a lot of butthurt people.
     
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  8. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    Good to know 'cause for a second there I was worried.
     
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  9. GrainWetski Arcane

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  10. cosmicray Educated

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    What are you talking about? Rocket League has cross-platform play as probably some other games. What Epic has to do with it?
    What would be really cool is cross-store friends/social communities. But probably no one interested in that. If Epic is gonna do that, then good for them.

    No, they don't. To (re)install the game you need their client/account and online connection. DRM-free doesn't require shit. You get the installer(physical or digital) and install the game on your own terms.
     
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  11. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Exactly. Launcher-independent installer, can be installed offline, played offline, ported to any computer you own by simply moving the installer from one hard disk to another, can be stored forever on an external HDD or cloud storage so even if the storefront ever goes down the game will still be installable and will work without any issues.

    GoG is the only store that does this.
     
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  12. Night Goat The Immovable Autism Patron No Fun Allowed

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    Competition is supposed to mean more choices for the consumers. And I'm choosing to continue using the service that has features I like and (probably) isn't a Chinese botnet. Do Epicfags really think they can get people to use a service that offers nothing but negatives in comparison to its competitor, just because it's "competition"?
     
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  13. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

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    Can we stop with this "competition is always good for the client" anyway? First of all, repeating kindergarten-level truisms doesn't make anyone look smart and there are plenty of scenarios where it doesn't work like that. But the main point is: being 100% open is one of PCs biggest advantages. It is something that PCs always had and other platforms for pleb didn't.

    Anyone who wants to deny you this advantage is an enemy.

    Anyone who doesn't immediately understand it is a dumbfuck.

    There is a lot of stuff that making precedence for porting console subhumanity to PC can bring. And none of it is pretty.
     
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  14. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Well, that didn't take long.
     
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  15. Paul_cz Arcane

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    Did anyone here actually buy anything on epic fail store yet? I find it strange that they have yet to brag about any sales numbers.

    Like, to me it seems that the general attitude of PC gamers towards epic is extremely negative (reddit, retardera, gaf..).
    When Epic makes a game exclusive, gamer has four choices:

    - buy it on epic store and pay money for shitty service (and supporting exclusivity bullshit)
    - torrent it and get also shitty service, for free
    - wait until exclusivity ends and get it on GOG or Steam or developer's website
    - ignore the game entirely

    I really wonder how many people are going to pick option one. I know I won't.

    And yes yes I know you will say "silent majority is not posting on forums" and we vocal gamers are tiny minority.
    Well Mr. Galyonkin has few words about that:

    https://galyonk.in/your-target-audience-doesn-t-exist-999b78aa77ae

     
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  16. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    Except this is not competition. It's the exact opposite. As VD and others have expressed these developers could have listed the games on both Steam and Epic but offered a lower price via Epic. They don't. This is not about competition and all about developers pocketing more money for themselves. Give it a rest.
     
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  17. Kutulu Magister Patron

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    I only care about competition that benefits me, a month ago i bought a car. At first i visted 2 dealerships that where close to each other (lets call them A) and got some offers. Visited both twice and it felt like those
    2 didnt actually want to compete with each other 50€ vs some expensive pen (LOL) on a new car.... Drove to a third dealer (B) and got an offer, ofc both A's where willing to compete with him, in the end i stayed with B because i got the same price but he added a 400€ Gas/petrol card...

    The thing is i would probably even stayed with B if i had to pay 100€ more there just because it seemed more friendly & A's unwillingness to compete.


    In short: Theres more to things than just price and epic fails on all fronts price included, Metro is 10$ cheaper here in retail without being on sale for fucks sake...
     
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  18. Seboist Arcane Patron

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    Not buying jack on Epic's store no matter how many bribed exclusives they get, and will be waiting for their steam releases, and as a long time Falcom fan, I can assure them that I'm quite patient.
     
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  19. Reinhardt Arcane

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    Well, it's pretty easy considering that there is zero interesting games in their store.
     
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  20. Belegarsson Savant Patron

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    For real though, I went from posting Metro Exodus trailers to pirating it, played for 2 hours then completely forgot about it.
    Epic Store, best time and money saver since 2019 :positive:
     
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  21. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    https://www.thegamer.com/epic-boss-says-developers-win-game-store-wars-not-consumers/

    Here is an interesting article.

     
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  22. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Well, Operencia, the Hungarian turn-based blobber, is coming out later this month. It will be the first Codex-relevant Epic-exclusive release.
     
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  23. Kutulu Magister Patron

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    Man its awesome to be a pirate again, convenience alone made me stop being one....
     
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  24. Politician Lurker King

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    Steam attracts more players because it is a monopoly.

    If players had to resort to different platforms to buy their PC games, their lives would be more complicated and the developers would sell less games.

    Monopolies exist due to one reason, and one reason only: because they are more effective in providing better services than the competition.

    The “monopolies are evil” butthurt is hilarious shit; typical communist propaganda that pretends to advocate consumers’ interests when it is actively directing their envy and resentment against the most successful service providers under false pretenses.

    If you are against steam because it is the most successful digital distribution platform ever developed, you are jealous resented cuck. The Besters and moraes of this world can take their resented anti-market and anti-consumer’s interests rhetoric and shove it. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters are efficient service providers.
     
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  25. normie Learned Zionist Agent

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    monopolies are good when they are good and bad when they're bad, it depends on the realm it's monopolising, who is in charge of it and in whose interest it's run; putting the philosophy before the ends and results is putting the cart before the horse

    you're the other side of the same butthurt coin
     
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