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Epic vs Steam - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Cromwell Arcane

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    no its not because I can buy it from another site for 25% less and then install it through steam instead of buying it for 100% in the epic store and have the benefit of even paying extra for them to allow me to actually pay how I want. Are you seriously this retarded?

    The discussion is not about exclusives are bad, the discussion is about "exclusives are bad if the customer gets fucked in the process". I am the consumer, I am the only one that matters, the customer is always king. Everyone that wats my money and doesnt beg for it will not get it out of principle.
     
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  2. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    Uber may not be technically profitable yet, but it's ubiquitous. This is what Epic is trying to accomplish but, unlike Uber, they are doing it at the expense of consumers and competition.
     
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  3. Modron Arcane

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    I think my favorite was actually just Silent Storm's install wizard, it was just a technical drawing of an m1911 getting ever more lines drawn in as the install progressed.
     
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  4. Rahdulan Arcane Patron

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    I wouldn't put it like that, but you are ultimately correct. Problem is this industry seems entitled to success and when they don't get it there's always someone to blame other than themselves. Who was the big publisher that learned this lesson recently? Was it EA when they said if people don't like it they shouldn't buy Battlefield 5? Although saying EA has "learned" anything would be a stretch. I've seen people discuss exclusives as good, but that's in high level "stores are competing with each other" sense. In reality these stores live and die by their customers and we've seen jack shit from this so-called competition that would benefit us, the customers. Some simply have yet to learn this lesson.
     
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    No, but it sounds pretty retarded.
     
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  6. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    They are available to play exclusively through Steam. Borderlands 3 is available to play exclusively through Epic. Different reasons, same outcome. This isn't rocket science you cucks.
     
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  7. cosmicray Educated

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    Sorry for offtopic, but could you elaborate? How does it work with driver not knowing and why is it important?
     
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  8. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Yeah I do agree that physical copies requiring an online service to install and activate is pretty damn shit.

    You shouldn't be required to activate a key with an account to which that key will then be locked when you purchase a boxed copy. Boxed copies should always be DRM free.
     
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  9. MadMaxHellfire Arcane

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    keeping the metaphor: epic is not uber, epic is buying out every uber driver it can find and forcing you to reach to those drivers it stashed hidden somewhere in the asshole of the world. of course the extra mileage is on you.
     
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  10. Cromwell Arcane

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    I tried to come up with some examples or something witty to say but if you believe that circumstances really dont matter you are just an idiot.
     
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  11. Steamboat Willie Learned

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    It's like if Lyft moved in and decided to "compete" with Uber by paying popular destinations to only allow Lyft drivers to drop people off at their property. This type of competition can only be a good thing for customers because I have been programmed to repeat this.
     
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  12. normie Learned Zionist Agent

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    competition
    good

    steam
    bad
     
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  13. passerby Learned

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    Except this is exactly a thing that happened.
    In fact overwhelming majority of people prefer Steam key to a drm free copy, this is why humble bundle had to quickly abandon drm free and start to sell Steam keys and this is why GOG's market share is 5% of rpg/adventure and like 2% in other genres.

    There is also no fundamental difference between Starcraft II being Battle net exclusive, or EA games being Origin exclusives and Epic exclusives. It's just that these smaller publishers/devs have no resources to start their own platform.
    Neither their franchises are strong enough to make almost everyone interested to purchase them even without Steam. This is why Epic has to offset risk caused by abandoning Steam for anyone to jump the shark.
    Ultimately both the reasons to go Epic exclusive and user experience are exactly the same as with battle.net and Origin.

    If Steam cut wasn't the same as physical retail, but 10% smaller there would be no Origin, Uplay, or Epic Store today, because potential gains would be so small, that investing in creation and promotion of these platforms couldn't be financially justified.
     
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  14. Mustawd Arcane

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    Taxis make their money off fares based on the distance traveled. Before Uber and Lyft, you would call a Taxi service, they would in turn try to assign your trip to one of the drivers, who are independent contractors and not employees.

    However, if you were going a short distance many drivers would refuse to accept the call because to them it’s not worth the trip to come pick you up. Or they might feel there’s an opportunity cost that they could be getting other rides while en route to pick you up.

    And economically for each individual driver this makes sense. However, that creates a whole slew of possible trips that no driver would ever accept or rarely accept. If I don’t have a car and the grocery store is two miles away there is a distinct possibility that I either have to make multiple trips carrying groceries (killing half a day if my time in the process) or I have to lie about where I’m going to get a ride (which will make it harder to get a ride next time).

    What Uber has done is to basically say: We run a ride service, period. Sure drivers can cancel when they get to a destination and find out what the route is, but Uber will start docking cancellations against the driver. So it creates an expectation that as a driver you will pick up a rider and take them to a destination no matter how short the ride is. Also, Uber has made it worth it to the more regular drivers by giving them incentives by the number of trips in a week or a month.

    Still, the mechanic of not knowing what the route will be as an Uber driver is a very positive thing for the consumer.

    Let me put it another way. Imagine if servers at restaurants were independent contractors, similar to how Uber and Taxi services work. Also let’s imagine you don’t have a lot of money but you still want to order an appetizer and some water and sit down at the restaurant to relax and talk to a friend.

    If upon entering the restaurant you were required to say how much you wanted to spend, it’d be harder to find waiters that would accept to serve you because for them they’d be better off waiting for a larger table or a bigger spender.
     
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  15. cosmicray Educated

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    Thanks for an answer. I already searched for specifics, but I was under the impression that driver wouldn't know where you'd be stopping until reaching the end destination. Like "Bam, I'll be getting off here". Obviously, it's not like that. And I agree it's a better system.
     
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    There's nothing funny about this, at least in my neck of the woods.

    Taxi companies and taxi drivers have legal obligations, they must pass safety inspections and comply with personal data security laws, pass background checks and to an extent are held accountable for what happens in the taxi. Last time I checked, Über drivers don't need to worry about any of this.
     
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    THIS.

    Animated installers? Backstory? What crazy futuristic world are you from?

    Back in my day I was lucky if I got an image to look at, and on really good days the game played a tune or let me play Space Invaders while it was loading!
     
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    I wonder how much backlash Epic could have prevented with this one simple fix: Any developer who signs up for exclusivity with them would be encouraged to distribute free Steam keys to owners of their game - but only at the end of the exclusivity period.

    How much of the anti-Epic anger is because people get annoyed by thinking about how if they do buy a game on the Epic Games Store, they'd want to have it on Steam a year later and have to pay again?
     
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    Valve would've been delighted
     
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  20. Mustawd Arcane

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    My comment was moreso from a standpoint in the united states, specifically NYC, where they have flimsy excuses for limiting uber, when the reality is that the taxi companies are losing money hand over fist and are bitching to politicians about it.

    Also, uber drivers must pass a background check, have vehicle insurance, and updated registration for the vehicle, which requires a vehicle inspection, and the vehicle can only be a certain amount of years old.

    Yes, Uber can do a better job with screening, but my main point is that it’s causing disruption to the taxi industry because it is addressing the needs of consumers in ways taxi companies never did.
     
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    What,how,when? A jew promoting things to be given away......for free........
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    First, do you think it's Epic's call to do that? And would they want to become the "exclusives store" that everyone ditches when the game goes on Steam with all its superior features?

    Also, do you think Steam would be willing to do that? Steam would provide a whole slew of services, downloads, forums, etc., and yet get none of that first year release money for a bunch of exclusive games? That would make them Epic's bitch, especially if Epic grows big. Steam giving free keys to Epic would only help Epic and legitimize their business model.
     
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  23. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    It's not that the circumstances don't matter really. I agree Valve did it a better way and "earned" those exclusives. It's just that at the end of the day if your wife is getting fucked by another dude it doesn't matter whether he wooed her or paid her, she's still getting fucked. I still have to deal with DRM client I don't want, forced on me with almost every game with a budget higher than 12 potatoes. Whether the "nice guys" are doing it or the big spenders are is pretty irrelevant to my user experience.
     
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  24. Echo Mirage Arcane

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    A more simple solution would have been for Steam to have publishers sign a contract that would state that if they have submitted their game to steam and valve has advertised it as either coming to steam or is up for pre order then the publisher cannot pull the game for steam, but retains the right to sell their game on other platforms. Something the publisher could use to undercut the asking price on steam but not piss people off with a bait and switch like we have been seeing for almost ever big release this year.
     
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  25. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    Here's what they could have done:

    Steam lists game for $60.

    Epic lists games for $50. Developers still make more based on larger cut. But it's not about 'competition,' it's about douche bag developers and publishers using consumers as leverage to get an even bigger cut.
     
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