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Epic vs Steam - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Irata Educated

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    https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1121218551342350336

    Tencent Epic says that if Valve matches its 12% cut and some other conditions then it will stop buying exclusives.

     
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  2. Mustawd Arcane

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  3. MadMaxHellfire Arcane

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    first world problem indeed.
     
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  4. Multi-headed Cow Scholar

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    "If Steam committed to a permanent 88% revenue share for all developers and publishers without major strings attached, Epic would hastily organize a retreat from exclusives (while honoring our partner commitments) and consider putting our own games on Steam."

    Epic only beats me because they love me, fuck you Gaben you bastard why do you let this continue? All you have to do is do everything they ask of you! I always knew Gaben was the one behind this all along. :negative:
     
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  5. Reinhardt Arcane

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    They have other games besides fortnite?
    Gaben, please, don't lower your cut. You have enough shit in your store already.
     
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  6. Who Cares Educated

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    Imagine all the fortnite kiddies in steam reviews. Gaben pls dont do this
     
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  7. passerby Learned

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    Nice strawman, most people don't want DRM free archive file, they want convenience of a store platform with more than one title on it, selling early access on your website, with no promotion, with awful BMTmicro service is not comparable at all.
    You wouldn't be able to replicate what Epic Store provides with your own store at 7% revenue (you are on Unreal Engine), they probably run it non profit currently.

    Steam had resistance, then there was Uplay, Origin, most MMOs have it's own platforms, adopting one more is much less of a treshold.
    There are free games every two weeks, if Epic got an exclusive of Metro, or Borderlands 3 callibre every few months and few smaller ones in between and they were permanent and such state continued long enough, most gamers would end up having an account there.
    Maybe they wouldn't visist it daily like Steam, but would check it lets say monthly, but discovery rate for each visit there could be an order of magnitude higher than on Steam. Keep in mind 90% of steam accounts are fake, or abandoned, not active customers.
    Worked for EA with Origin, would work much better in this hypothetical scenario, with much wider selection of exclusives. End game would be a lower cut for the whole industry, everyone could release their exclusives on Steam, once it'd got pressured into lowering the cut.

    But since customer is your master and you won't even dare to question them in a forum discussion, and embrace current ecosystem fully, then I'll embrace this mindset too. I've found da way.
    Why bother buying two full price copies of AoD on BMT with fake address, so goverment and Steam don't snatch half of your revenue, when I can just get it in a bundle like this https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/fantasy-legends-bundle ?
    Very convenient, nice price, such satisfied customer, Steam key ! I'll buy colony ship rpg in a bundle like this, be grateful, I pay your bills.
     
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  8. Cromwell Arcane

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    Did you just try to verbally slap him by telling him sarcastically that you (people) could buy his games in sales / bundles? If he didnt want his games there they wouldnt be there. This thread has become retard central.

    "if you do what we need to survive we stop killing ourselves financially!" I swear to fuck the man is not only named todd sweeny he behaves like it.
     
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  9. Big Wrangle Guest

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    I'm sure Epic will also increase the cut slightly and drop the whole freebies stuff after they establish a large consumer base.
     
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  10. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Living in the Seventh world i see.
     
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    yeah, i used the meme just for its value, i can't know and never will what it means to have first world problems.
     
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  12. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    That was in response to "if only gamers cared about the developers' bottom line". Since you agree that most people prefer the convenience of store platforms, surely you can see why they'd prefer a more convenient one, with nice toxic features?

    Or not. Epic's treating gamers like cattle and forcing them to switch pastures with exclusives. I don't see it as a viable strategy to get "most gamers". Epic needs goodwill and right now it's not generating any.

    Steam won't be pressured to do anything until Epic starts selling games like hotcakes. If Epic fails to grab more than 10-15% of the market, it will only reinforce Steam's position as the top market.

    We started doing bundles (it's the second bundle for both games) 3 years after AoD release, when the effective price dropped to $3-4 dollars. At this point we don't expect anyone but the most enthusiastic supporters to buy AoD directly from us. Most of our revenues come from Steam, GOG, and now Fanatical. Eventually, Colony Ship will also be sold in a bundle, so anyone willing to wait 3 years will be able to buy it for a few bucks. That's business as usual, no?
     
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  13. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Steam has always been working on new features and introducing them without big fanfare.
     
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  14. passerby Learned

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    For the record I didn't advise you to go Epic exclusive, because the reality of current situation and an average gamer mindset is obvious and you would loose money with this move. I argue only about principles, I'm aware of reality.

    Except customers are a cattle that care more about the store then about you, if they weren't the fact that developers of their niche entertainment can earn 20% more on Epic would be enough to go there, it's a fucking launcher, not a 300$ hardware that takes space in your place.
    You either lead the cattle, or follow it. The reason Epic will fall is because it failed to convince publishers to go all the way with permanent exclusives. The only digital entertainment distributors that had any success competing are the ones with exclusives, it's not just gaming.

    If the company that try to provide you a platform to sell and promote games at barely above operation costs and the best engine on the market for free is "toxic" and idiots that circlejerk under my posts with shitty ratings are your buddies, then I rest my case.

    Yeah, bussiness as usual, it'll end like mobile market.
     
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  15. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Have you considered also going on the smaller stores like itch.io and Discord Store? And what about the Humble Store?
     
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  16. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    It seems like they are trying to push them in to position where they could outlive them in attrition war. 12% is running at a loss from the looks of it.
     
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  17. Rahdulan Arcane Patron

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    It's funny that despite all the drama and hollering for them to do something all Valve has to really do is bide their time. Epic's money sack is not bottomless and these games are coming to Steam anyway in a year or less.
     
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  18. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Epic has 10 trillions of zoomer dollars as well as the full backing of Tencent's president Xi Jinping.
     
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  19. GrainWetski Arcane

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    Doesn't mean they're going to run it at a loss for 10 years.
     
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  20. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Yes, it means they can run it at a loss for one thousand years!

    Whoever controls the games, controls the gamers. Whoever controls the gamers, controls the world.
     
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  21. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    Well, if we're in agreement that the exclusivity is a bad move, then what are we arguing about? I'm not against Epic, we'll gladly sign up on a non-exclusive basis, and we do need more viable stores.

    How the fuck could they possibly convince publishers to abandon the biggest fucking market (85%) and hope for the best? If Epic fails it will be because they focused on pleasing developers and turning Epic into a 'safe store' rather than toxic, no-good customers, you know the very fucking people who actually buy shit.

    A platform without millions of paying customers constantly buying games is a dead platform. That's my point. Steam isn't a store that charges developers 30% god knows why. It's the biggest gaming market that dwarfs its competition, which is why it charges 30%. No platform would be able to change that without catering to the players and seeing them, not the developers, as the most valuable asset.

    Not sure what your point is. Games are discounted over time. Most games end up at 75-80% off after 3-4 years (the super hits have longer staying power, of course), which usually means under 5 bucks on sale. This business model didn't change in the last 30 years; if anything digital stores have increased games' longevity as in the olden days games could hit the bargain bin much faster and stay there for good.
     
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  22. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Realtalk from...RPS? https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/20...ves-if-steam-gave-devs-larger-cut-ceo-claims/

     
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  24. Gerrard Arcane

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    But if EGS had no exclusives then nobody except Fortnite kids would use it. Is this guy retarded?
     
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