Europa Universalis IV

CK2's method of having to work a bit of extra to acquire a good wargoal also helps check things for the better as well rather than infamy cost.

 

Did we play the same game? Holy war CB against half the duchies in the the world, invite claimant for the other? Only counts really have trouble.

 

99% of my playtime has been with fiddling with Pagans. Limits options quite a bit when you don't have Holy War.

Also, Claimant has two problems from an expansion sense: 1) The title needs to be in your de jure for vassalization, 2) Or the claimant needs to be a relative of yours.

 

No it doesn't. If they are you vassal before (give them a holding of any kind) they will remain your vassal afterwards, so long as their new title is still ranked below yours. Relative is irrelevant and de jure is irrelevant. De jure might make them accept a vassalization if they aren't already a vassal though.

 

Never thought of doing that (I'm rather stingy on my holdings).

 

Really? It's pretty hard not to be hitting your demesne limit eventually.

 

So I'm not the only one who acts like a Jew when its regards holdings?

Worthless sons won't get any clay, work for it faggots

 

Unlanded sons screws up your prestige.

 

Holy War, get an entire duchy and all holdings under it. You'll have like -300% tax and levy modifiers which take decades to expire, so invite claimants from everywhere and give them one each. Now they will have their own court, converting the province so you don't have to, and you're free to use the next few decades to push as many as 15 or so claims for new duchies to be made yours.

Only issue is the work required to find claimants en mass. Wish it was there in the character finder

By the midgame you have so much damn prestige it's a drop in the bucket.

 

Pagan, no Holy Wars.

 

Not my fault you play inferior peoples. Though next DLC will probably add holy way or equivalent for pagans.

In any case, either plot to revoke titles or revoke titles of anyone plotting against you (infamy free).

 

/summon Vaarna_Aarne
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...e-Eagles-Developer-diary-18-Sweden-vs.-Russia

 

Vaarna just miss the old times when Finland belonged to us.

 

how? i only see plots to kill.

 

Perhanan mämmikourat...

They've fucked up with locale names again.

 

You should have a plot to revoke (if your vassal) or usurp (if your liege) any title that you also have a claim on.

You can effectively create a a self-perpetuating cycle of getting free territories through the following steps:

1. Give holding to claimant to make him your vassal.
2. Push claim, claimant gets duchy.
3. Plot to revoke original holding from claimant (you still have the claim after you gave him the holding).
4. You revoke holding, vassal now has his claim on that holding. 95% of the time he will immediately plot to take it back. If he resists the revocation in the first place, even better, skip the plot crap, beat down his pitiful duchy (done quickly, he is already weakened since you just took the duchy in a war and your military is right next to him). Otherwise your spymaster (praise be upon him) easily catches the plot.
5. For plotting/revolting against the kingdom, you can now revoke the duchy you claimed for him and have all the titles for yourself.

 

I hate things like these. It is SO artifical. Russia is supposed to have large manpower because of it's many provinces not because of arbitrary modifiers.

 

when i discover a vassal's plot for a title or even when one asks for one, i always have only the "kill him" plot.
yes, original game, patched, dlc and stuff.

 

When they have a plot for a title you should be able to imprison him and then revoke their title. For some reason you'll still take the infamy hit for the revocation in some instances, in those cases just keep repeating it until they revolt instead of nicely going to prison. None of this through plotting, it's through the direct diplomacy interactions with the character.

 

Its not artificial, socio-economic structure influences manpower thats a fact. Russia was huge and had a lot of population but most importantly its population could be freely conscripted if necessary. Compare to UK, see difference.

 

It's deterministic wankery if it's not accompanied by appropriate penalties to discipline and morale.

 

The lack of bonuses discipline and morale, which might just be commonplace for other countries, might emulate that.

 

actually i hope they revolt so i can crush them and get the chance to revoke a single title. but i've never ever seen a plot different from "kill this dude".

 

Brace for spritepacks

 

If I am able to customize my spirites a la The Sims, it's a day-one purchase for sure.