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Fallout 4 Pre-Announcement Bullshit Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

Discussion in 'Bethesda Game Studios' started by Syril, Jun 1, 2012.

  1. taxalot Gone forever. Patron

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    You could at least be hopeful. Wasn't Skyrim a huge improvement over everything Bethesda did in the last years ?
     
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  2. SophosTheWise Arbiter

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    That probably depends on your definition of "in the last years". Over Oblivion, sure, Skyrim was an improvement. But over Morrowind?

    I sincerely hope it's really Obsidian's big next gen project, but I really doubt it. Ugh, I want to be excited but I just can't.
     
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  3. Necroscope Arcane

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    Level scaling, no unique loot, every aspect of the game shallow and/or underdeveloped, godawful interface, even worse writing, crappy animations, boring dungeons, a fuckton of pointless FedEx quests, more bugs than in the fucking Rainforest etc., etc. In other words: NO.
     
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  4. undecaf Arcane Patron

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    Bethesda will produce yet another pointless shitfest like skyrim. Who the fuck cares excrept the glorious Codex....
     
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  5. Oesophagus Arcane

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    I'll be surprised if F4 has numerical stats
     
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  6. Xor Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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  7. Onholyservicebound Arcane

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    Was still an improvement over Oblivion, had branching questlines, had NV style speech checks, better animations than the last two games they made, less level scaled enemies, giants for example, you couldn't get every single perk and max every attribute like in Oblivion. I'd say it's on par with Fallout 3 in terms of being an RPG, inferior to NV and way better than oblivion.

    Like some poster said earlier, if Fallout 4 is to Skyrim what Fallout 3 was to Oblivion then we'll have a New Vegas style game at least.
     
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  8. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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    So, has anything come out on Failout 4 yet?
     
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  9. tuluse Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    What is there to be hopeful about?

    Even if they blunder into making a good game somehow, it's still going to have shit rpg mechanics and it's still going to be terrible lore rape.

    Being hopeful for Fallout 4 to be a good Fallout game is like hoping to win the lottery without buying a ticket. Sure such a thing has happened, but it's so unlikely, I wouldn't use it as a retirement plan.
     
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  10. Necroscope Arcane

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    Being an improvement over Oblivion is like smelling better than shit.

    :hmmm:

    I totally agree.
     
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  11. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    :lol:

    It already started.
    Best RPG since Age Of Decadence.
     
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  12. Horus Arcane

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    So, did they ever accepted FNV as an part of cannon at all? My hopes for this game will probably depend on the answer.
     
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  13. Necroscope Arcane

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    And you can climb it!
     
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  14. 2house2fly Erudite

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    Heh, I'm the exact opposite. The site is probably a hoax, and even if it isn't it'll be a Bethesda game so it'll be 100 hours of fighting radiation dragons and asking everyone if they've seen a middle-aged man and there'll be no fucking ending. But still, "The Survivor" sounds like a really cool player character title, and that Tumblr image with the line "for a fire to grow there must be a glow" feels ominous(way better than "Vault 101... no-one enters... I am the water of life..."), and I can't help but feel a twinge of anticipation. I liked Fallout 3 for the random encounters, post-apocalyptic ruined city environments and set pieces, and another game's worth of those doesn't sound bad as long as Obsidian get to work on a sequel to that with actual writing again.
     
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  15. Onholyservicebound Arcane

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    Missing the point, it's as simple as this: Every game since oblivion has gotten progressively better, especially in regards to it's respective franchise. If they follow that progression, then Fallout 4 should be equal to or better than New Vegas in c&c and rpg aspects. (Although I am doubtful of that.)Skyrim's shitty levelling system existed before Skyrim, and we've had two Fallouts without it, why would they add it now?

    Besides that, I don't think the mainstream AAA market is quite as friendly to decline as people think. The butthurt over DA 2's simplification was immense and pretty much universal, most of it stemming from the sheer lack of c&c, ME3 drama was almost entirely due to having a linear and generic outcome with little depth(And again, because it didn't enforce c&c), Fable 3 was panned for it's over simplified mechanics and shitty push A or B style c&c. All of the money kickstarter has made just with the promise of getting real, non-dumbed down RPGs.

    If I get a game like New Vegas, with the budget of Skyrim, I'll be happy, I don't expect them to make the best rpg ever, I just expect them to learn from the previous games.
     
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  16. Broseph Fabulous Hoosier Patron

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    Every Bethesda game is three steps forward, two steps back (or vice versa) so expect a lot of derp sprinkled amongst those "improvements." My prediction: not as shitty as Fallout 3 (but few things are), far from New Vegas standards.
     
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  17. himmy Arcane

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    Shhh! Everybody not on the Codex (and even 80% of Codexers) are retards who can barely hold a controller in their hand according to a lot of people here. Try to disagree and you will just be put in that pile, making debate more comfortable. As much as people here complain about black and white morality in games, they sure love it in real life.
     
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  18. AN4RCHID Arcane

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    Well, there's something to it though, isn't there? Skyrim was pretty much uncritically beloved by the gaming masses, as was Oblivion, until Skyrim came out and everyone magically realized how awful it was. There are still people, a LOT of people, who believe Fallout 3 is a superior game to New Vegas. Look at any of the super popular games right now, critically and commercially, and most are piles of shit. Not saying most gamers have no standards for good game design, just, like... they have standards in very shallow elements. The biggest improvement in Skyrim for most people (besides the graphics, obviously), was probably that hitting people with your sword feels better. How many reviews for New Vegas brought up skill checks or weapon balance or perk balance vs. how many praised the addition of iron sights?
     
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  19. Shadenuat Arcane

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    Bethesda can create better engine than FNV, better graphics, better models, better landscapes, better animations and faces. Anything you can improve on by throwing more money into there, they can do. They can even create better combat and stealth, at least visually and maybe even... uh... kinesthetically? Can I even use that word for describing flow of combat? Well, never mind.
    But they will never create better RPG than Obsidian, because they don't understand the design, the C&C, and it has been long time since they've written a good story.
    I'd agree that Bethesda is kinda evolving after Oblivion, but that can carry you only so much, and can't substitute for real talent.
     
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  20. Gozma Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Why is Bethesda so shockingly incompetent at voicework stuff? I kinda think they are blundering around stupidly development wise and getting by on a dazzlingly effective marketing/business level and serendipity.

    DA2 hatred was a really close run thing, I remember reading SA dealing with it and the "this is a gaming forum, that means we have to be enthusiastic" people that successfully protected stuff like FO3 were neck and neck with hategoblins that would fit in here. If there had been one successful meme that not liking DA2 was racist or homophobic or something it woulda been all over.

    ME3 only fucked up in that they tried to go with badly constructed pretention instead of the smart bet of utter "Independence Day" cheese that the fans would have loved.
     
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  21. Hirato Purse-Owner Patron

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    "at least Ultima 9 sloppily attempted to be an Ultima game."

    Have we played the same game? Fallout 3 is rape and betrayal of everything Fallout, and it's absolutely awful in every conceivable manner.
    I'd even argue it's worse than Oblivion, which was at least fun to fuck around in for a while.

    We all already know what's going to happen.
    Fallout 4 will be released, and it will be incorrigible, buggy, crash-prone shit, featuring unprecedented levels of retardation.
    The gaming media is going to fellate Bethesda, and their dumbfuck audience will slurp it up, and any old fans that weren't completely alienated by F3 will rage.

    Bethesda simply doesn't get Fallout, and they won't ever produce a decent Fallout game until they do.

    Now I'm butthurt again...
     
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  22. Onholyservicebound Arcane

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    You've got a point, but seeing as they change writers like they change socks, and we don't yet know the history of everyone currently on the dev team, I'd wait until release before judging it. I don't really expect them to do it as good as Obsidian, my wishlist for them would be a perk number rivalling NV without adding useless bloat like all fallout 3 perks, warring factions, c&c, and a character system that promotes replayability. Writing quality is hella subjective, but I would like companion quests like New Vegas, and some depth to the timeline and factions.

    If Fallout wants the Skyrim fags who like real time skill levelling they should introduce proficiency a la borderlands. They sort of had that in NV in the form of perks being added when you used certain weapons, really that's just what I hope for 4, that Bethesda realize what Obsidian did better(everything) and emulate it.
     
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  23. deamento Learned

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    Oh, bethesda gets what fallout is all about, but they preffer to make it complete shite so it'll sell to the people who liked skyrim (i.e. kids and mental patients)
     
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  24. Shadenuat Arcane

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    If they get that guy who was writing for Morrowind and created it's lore I'd give them a chance.
    But Beth still has different views on design. In every game they make you still end up as a demigod master-of-all-guilds. And they can't do quests for shit. Even in Fallout 3 player had to walk into most idiotic places and do stupid shit for crazy NPCs like Moira/kids/old lady with violin and so on because you just don't have anything interesting to do in the game. Skyrim also had that problem, becoming a mage with zero skills in magic, and going to eat people and kill old people for daedra because there weren't any other quests to finish.
     
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  25. Newfag-er Educated

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    I know, seriously, why?

    DA2 is really hated for mostly undeserving reasons imo (and loved for other undeserving reasons)

    Skyrim is indeed very overrated among game journalist, but with mods I can pretend it's something else I suppose.

    I suppose that's why I still buy there games and stuff. (BG isn't bad though, gonna try that)
     
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