Fallout 4 Pre-Announcement Bullshit Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

The Enclave actually seemed mellowed out from their Fallout 2 incarnation; they're still experimenting on people and auto-hostile when they see me, but Eden specifically wants the super mutants and ghouls destroyed, viewing the human casualties from poisoning the water supply as collateral damage, instead of the whole point being to kill every living creature in post-apoc America. And Autumn doesn't want to poison the water at all! He wants to purify the water and bring the Enclave to power. Sure they're kind of fascists, but there'd at least be some semblance of a civilian government there, which could be seen as a better option than having Lyons's unaccountable military autocracy in charge, and the greater level of technology at their disposal would stand a better chance of clearing out all the super mutants and raiders (who will remain a problem that must be dealt with even with free clean water for everybody) than the Brotherhood, who barely seem to have made a dent in two decades. Maybe the sorry state of the Capital Wasteland demands the devotion to military efficiency and unquestioning loyalty which an Enclave society would bring? Maybe freedom is a sacrifice we have to make for the sake of this part of America becoming livable again? They'd be a pseudo-evil option, sure, but the Fallout 3 Enclave is pretty much a viable faction to ally with.

And then of course they're just the Bad Guys and you kill them all with the Brotherhood Good Guys and all that characterisation is thrown out the window so thoughtlessly that I have a hard time believing it was even intentional.

 

For all of its flaws, Fallout 3's reinterpretation of the the franchise's core concepts made it feel more like Fallout 1 than 2 or NV ever could, but the oppsite. Like reading The Hobbit for the first time and then reading The Hobbit from the Bizzaro World.

It was interesting, if nothing else.

 

They weren't well implemented, but the idea had more force to it in FO2. I always took the Enclave's claims to be the remnants of the US government at face value. The first half of FO2 is basically you travelling around looking at how things have regrown, and finding the emergence of several nascient states that all have their problems but are also adapting to the conditions at hand - humanity is finally refinding its feet, and it looks like the only issue is what state/ideology will dominate. Then along come the bastards who wrecked it all the first time around - they've been offshore while the shit's being going down, and they've haven't learnt a thing. It's not exactly the most original of ideas, but it's a natural fit for FO - when it comes to being the villain, the Master was always living in the shadow of the Great War. The Master is very much part of the 'new world', trying to find a way to rebuild - it makes sense that, at some point, the old world will emerge from the shadows, armed to the teeth and not having learnt a thing since they fucked the place last time around.

 

They do remind me a lot of the republican party.

 

Why would a pro-human faction have a computer as its president?

 

lulz

 

Todd gets judged by sales, not by fan reactions.

 

So... big Skyrim fan? I did say "most".

EDIT: Oh, I just realized people might be misreading what I mean when I say "universally seen as total disasters". I mean in the context of the Codex. Obviously the vast majority of people in general really loved Oblivion/Fo3/Skyrim. I'll edit the original post.

I meant for us to judge the potential quality of Fallout 4 to us.

 

http://whatculture.com/gaming/fallout-4-15-ultimate-wishlist-features-must.php

Beginns with epic battles, ends with co-op.

 

Todd was co-lead on Morrowind, so I'll grant him 2/4 good games. He strikes me as the kind of guy who really loved shit like Ultima 7 back in the day and probably still does, but has also embraced the consolization of the last decade without issue. Kind of like the weird old grognards on RPG Watch.

 

My wishlist for Fallout 4:

- Project cancellation

 

From that article:

Unsurprisingly, the rest of the article is also full of praise for Fallout 3 and (for some reason) Skyrim while mostly dismissing New Vegas.

 

They do remember it all too well when mentioning bugs. That's probably because Bethesda games don't have bugs but endearing features.

 

You should totally do something about it, write a scathing diatribe contradicting their awful article, or you could keep on preaching to the choir.
The choice is yours.
#BranchingNarratives

 

Did you choose to destroy the town or do nothing? Epic choice

I love how much of that list is "better graphics" "more NPCs on screen" "better animations" like the Xbox One version of Fallout 4 was ever going to look like Oblivion. "No bugs" is a great idea though. I don't know why so many developers keep perversely choosing to include bugs in their games when it's clear players don't want them.

 

you people are expecting wrong things from a wrong developer
who gives a shit about dialogues, npcs, lore and god knows what else, as long as it is built on a passable engine with good modding tools attached to it

there are all kinds of games
hand crafted gems with that homely feel to them, that are just a pleasure to play
games that stimulate your lowest desires, sense of progression/gambling/competition
chats for socially inept people with some anime bullshit that noone cares about attached to it (often include some characteristics from previous category)
and bethesda's games, which basically are just tools or playgrounds that you can do almost anything with

if they'll keep doing what they were doing for the past 10(?) years, i'll buy/pirate it i'll mod it either myself or find some other autist's work and i'll fucking enjoy my 3 hours hike ridden with bugs and crashes, because that's all there is to it

 

People are only voicing what they want for a Fallout game.

Nobody expects Bethesda to make something great, and nobody is surprised that there are retards who enjoy their shit; I'll probably get the game, because I like the setting, not because I enjoy bug ridden hiking simulators.

 

Hey, they could always do worse. Like with that fake leak casting documents implying that FO4 will be like Mass Effect. Bethesda is property of Zenimax, they could make them do a Fallout Racer if they decided it's a good idea*

But AFAIK Bethesda is for now still the only maker of sandbox action rpg games in the industry with potential competitors being in various states of production. That could mean one can hope that they could try harder this time, they'd definitely not improve rpg elements but sandbox is something that can be improved indefinitely almost and they could use some of that considering all of their games after Morrowind feel like set in mockup landscapes. EA level of idiocy from Zenimax is doubtful until after FO4 I think, then there will be other sandbox games and the lovely board of executives will decide what's most profitable.

*which could be pretty fun lol

 

Zenimax is Bethesda. Not sure what are you trying to say here.

 

About that wishlist:

Not bad, second paragraph of the first item on the list and they've already got the name of a faction wrong. Either way, as for the wishlist as a whole-
EPIC BATTLES - Yeah, unnecessary and stupid. Fallout 3's battle for the purifier was hilariously shitty, and the battle for Hoover Dam was pretty poorly done (but touches like the Boomers flying in kinda saved it).
IMPROVED CRAFTING SYSTEM - I never even used the crafting system in Fo3 or FNV.
EMERGENT GAMEPLAY - That's a buzzword that doesn't mean a lot.
LIVLIER CITIES - Can't argue with that.
NEW ANIMATIONS - How about just firing Bethesda's animators since they fuck it up every single time.
MULTIPLE QUEST ROUTES - Can't argue here.
NEW GUNPLAY - The point about needing new gunplay is right, but check this out - "The VATS system in the Fallout games is terrific".
NO BUGS - What a weird thing to put on a wishlist, I actually wish for more bugs until the game is literally unplayable
SURVIVAL MODE - I know a lot of people are into this (one look at the top rated Skyrim or Fallout NV mods proves this) but I couldn't be bothered with "HARDCORE MODE" in NV because who gives a shit about finding food and water when you're supposed to be exploring the map.
VEHICLES - Bad idea. They refer to the Highwayman, ignoring the fact that this only worked because of the world map. Imagine vehicles in a Gamebryo game.
NEW GRAPHICS ENGINE - Would be nice.
ROGUE MODE - Would be stupid.
A WHOLE NEW WORLD - This is another weird wish, I for one was hoping that the Fallout 4 map is literally an exact replica of the Fallout 3 map with no changes at all (but more bugs)
BASE BUILDING - Is not necessary
CO-OP - I can't think of any way this would work without harming the game.

And also, while I was reading that list I noticed this in related:
http://whatculture.com/gaming/fallout-4-10-key-lessons-2013s-biggest-games.php

Starts with a comparison to The Last of Us, gets worse from there.

 

Which is fine. But on the last few pages you can see apologism creeping in, it's never a good thing, especially considering how Fallout 3 turned out to be. Expecting anything good at this point is kind of redundant.

 

What the hell is "rogue mode"?

 

Probably an ironman mode.

Edit:
The crafting in FNV it wasn't anything great but it was cool and things actually looked handmade. Also survival/hardcore mode is actually pretty good, I quite like it.

FNV had it but was too forgiving I mean if you drink water it would have lasted you for 2 or 3 days, JSawyer's mode made it a little better.

 

They're never going to give up their tech, they know it too well and make bajillion dollars off it. That said I thought Skyrim updated the whole thing quite nicely, and had few quibbles with the engine in that game.

P.S. This game will have shoehorned-in co-op, mark my fucking words.