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I'm pretty sure there will be someone on the radio commenting on your deeds. Just not Three Dog (which is good considering he can die in Fallout 3 anyway). The real question is why the actor was so confident he'd be in it originally.
 

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Was there ever some attempt at explanation of behemoths? Not that everything needs to be explained...
 
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Even their justification of FEV even existing on the east coast is a stretch. Jet as well.

It was so heavily implied in FO1 that FEV was incredibly secret and experimental research which only took place at The Glow. If it existed multiple places across the country then it would obviously be much harder to keep it secret, which was again implied because of its controversial nature.
 

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I'll admit it, that S.P.E.C.I.A.L. video was pretty good. First thing that actually captures the original Fallout spirit in years.

Ain't gonna save the game from being a steaming pile of turd, though.
 

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Even their justification of FEV even existing on the east coast is a stretch. Jet as well.

It was so heavily implied in FO1 that FEV was incredibly secret and experimental research which only took place at The Glow. If it existed multiple places across the country then it would obviously be much harder to keep it secret, which was again implied because of its controversial nature.

I bet Myron took it to the east coast. Fucking baby Myron, should've put a cap in his ass at Golgotha.
 

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I'll admit it, that S.P.E.C.I.A.L. video was pretty good. First thing that actually captures the original Fallout spirit in years.

I don't think it does at all.

Vault boy was supposed to help with guides for surviving the initial blast, getting to a vault and preparing to resurface after many years.

He's supposed to be a relic of the past, not a guide for the present.
 

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For me the idea of the behemoth is stupid. When you meet the first they give you the BFG so you can take him down with 2 or 3 shots. The second time the fucking thing is caged. And on top of it all, the biggest mofo (figuratively and literally) was Frank Horrigan... although I can't remember if his case was the same kind of FEV or not.
 

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I don't think it does at all.

Vault boy was supposed to help with guides for surviving the initial blast, getting to a vault and preparing to resurface after many years.

He's supposed to be a relic of the past, not a guide for the present.

True. That fact, represented by the appearance of the supermutant in the video, is the only thing you people can pick at. Had they substituted that Behemoth for a generic "predicted" opponent (like a 3-headed dog that breathes fire, for example) then this video would feel precisely like one of those pre-recorded messages from the past instructing people on how to deal with the present. See Fallout 2 intro.

But knowing some of you lot, that wouldn't be enough for you. Even if there was no supermutant you'd just be picking at the next example...my money is on the appearance of the powerfist.
 
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True. That fact, represented by the appearnace of the supermutant in the video, is the only thing you people can pick at. Had they substituted that Behemoth for a generic "predicted" opponent (like a 3-headed dog that breathes fire, for example) then this video would feel precisely like one of those pre-recorded messages from the past instructing people on how to deal with the present. See Fallout 2 intro.
Which instructed people on how to use the G.E.C.K., not the abstract minutiae of chargen. One is a piece of world building, the other just tells you the stat description of strength in a cumbersome way.
 

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Which instructed people on how to use the G.E.C.K., not the abstract minutiae of chargen. One is a piece of world building, the other just tells you the stat description of strength in a cumbersome way.

Got a better idea on how to do that?
 

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Which instructed people on how to use the G.E.C.K., not the abstract minutiae of chargen. One is a piece of world building, the other just tells you the stat description of strength in a cumbersome way.

Exactly, but I'd add that the video not only fails at capturing the classics' way of world building; but it's yet another proof that the good ol' Vault Boy has turned into a retarded version of what he was trying to parody.

I mean, just look at how Bethesda depicts the pre-war people more and more retardedly with every game. In FO3's Vault Tech explained how to cover your eyes using both hands because apparently their target audience was too dumb to act in an instinctive way, and now in FO4 they have to tell them what does it mean to be a stronger person!

Got a better idea on how to do that?

How about writing a proper manual for that?

It's the best way to explain how a game's systems works. Chris Taylor knew how to draw a line between "depicting how the future will be to a vault dweller" and "letting the player know how the game works". Using cheap schlock like a cartoon to mock how Vault Tech taught people to survive in a postapocalyptic environment while introducing SPECIAL at the same time damages the world building, since it only makes sense if you imagine that the company had to explain what does it mean to be [Intelligent] and stuff like that.
 
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Which instructed people on how to use the G.E.C.K., not the abstract minutiae of chargen. One is a piece of world building, the other just tells you the stat description of strength in a cumbersome way.

Actually, the video also goes down the perk tree at the end, showing that the STR stat unlocks "crafting specialized protective gear" and "building clever weapons." It would be hard to cram all that in a tooltip.
 

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I don't think it's right that actual part of the (prewar) world (educational videos) relate to the roleplaying system that is actually supposed to simulate that world. Just as vault boy collectibles in F3 it is nonsensical and breaks fourth wall bad.
 

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The vault boy was supposed to be Vault Tec's Mickey Mouse or Ronald McDonald. But yeah, I think those who believe FO games are about the vaults and their dwellers are very wrong.
 
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it's just life-imitating art.

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