Fallout 4 Pre-Release Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Out of curiosity.

 

I will too play it 7 times out of curiosity.

 

choices and consequences

 

tyranny of choices

 

Let's not pretend that new Vegas was even a half decent shooter or that it was this complex post apocalyptic rpg witch needed a manual just to build your character.

 

This game doesn't look or sound very interesting to me. Not even as a curiosity. The sort of usual deal with Beth games where the outset might look promising on some level and packed with opportunities, but where the mirage very soon fades after the start. The character system looks like a cheap illusion too, "weh wanted reely meeningful", but one can be pretty sure most of the perks range from meh to completely useless. If one was to go blind and clueless on this, I could see lots of wasted ours in boredom waiting for things to get better ("maybe it finally picks up after this quest/cave/task/level...").

 

Aw and Lemming, F 4 doesn't deserve a wall of text, only shitty one-liners.

 

Did they keep the armour and weapons degeneration?

I see they kept it on the power armour.

 

It isn't in either the inventory screen or the apparel screen, so it is probably gone.

What makes you think they kept it in for power armor? Unless I missed something I don't see any mention of it. Not in the customation UI, and the combat interface just seems to have HP-RADS-Limbs-Compass-CORE-AP.

 

Haha you wish. It is now filled with apologists and decliners just the same like the codex is

 

Fallout 4 is a hardcore RPG after all!

No but it's good that at least something has degradation. Yes, the originals didn't, but this is the bastard child of Fallout and TES, and TES should have equipment degradation.

Now that they're in the game, you could even mod the values to make it more challenging! Mods will fix it.

 

So, has it been confirmed whether attributes can be permanently increased in an easy fashion (10s across the board by game's end)? I've seen offhanded references to players being given a choice between a SPECIAL increase or Perk at level up, but I'm unsure whether that was just conjecture.

Regardless, such a maximal design philosophy seems like a foregone conclusion, given the fact certain perk chains would be inaccessible otherwise, but maybe -- just maybe -- Bethesda will impress me here.

 

In that video about the character system, whenever he hovered over an attribute description it had something like "Now you gain 1 point" at the end of each. It is admittedly half-conjecture but it seems like when you level up you can choose between a perk or an attribute increase. You start the game apparently with the equivalent of 28 (21 plus 1 in each stat already) points, so unless I fucked up simple math it should take 42 levels to get 10s across the board, assuming you did nothing but increase attributes. This of course assuming there isn't some hidden requirement near the top. How easy it is to gain 42 levels (Or what the consequence is for ignoring perks that long) is anyone's guess, but they did say they are speeding up the already pretty quick leveling soooooooooo...

 

Actually, I can live with this system, I can even live if they keep 1 perk per 2 levels and such. It is understanding that Bethesda is simply unable to create a somwhat decent story for F4 that keeps me from F4. Quests will be easily abusable, system will be easily abusable etc. because FPS. People still will kill Behemoths who will stuck between two trees, kill insanely huge robots by shooting in their finger\gun that pops from some texture. Bethesda do not have the ability to make their own system non-abusable.
There is only one redeeming feature for me in all this Skyrims and NuFallouts - they satisfy my marauder and pillager desires, because I can't resist the pleasures of stripping some abandoned ruin\building clean. Still, its too niche to be attractive enough to spend money on it.

 

Fallout 4 is also written by Emil Pagliarulo. So much for that.

 

Just FYI

 

Now just "but this is Bethesda" needs to be added.

 

Day 1 DLC "Dog-b-gone" confirmed:

 

decline, fallout 1 had no degradation

 

There is a new video out apparently. I haven't watched the others yet and I am too lazy to link to this one.

 

ok.

 

I wonder if Bethesda improved the stealth gameplay this time around? Altering light levels and being able to cause distractions are two necessary (and elementary) aspects of stealth play I'd love to see implemented.

 

The giant [DETECTED] thing in Fallout 3 really made the stealth system pointlessly easy to me.

Hopefully that's gone. If not I'm sure a mod will fix that.

 

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