Fallout 4 Pre-Release Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Yes, all sides have their flaws but Caesar's Legion is clearly the bad guy. Sorry, it's not even close. The cut content is a valid critique but as it stands in the game, it's not open to interpretation.

Again, you're reading into things that aren't there in the primary material. You can E-Larp and bend things to fit that perspective but the way the game is objectively presented portrays the Legion as the clear bad guys.

Mussolini kept the trains running.

 

Hah, it's going to be even worse than FO3. I mean, the plot is centered around the idea of saving androids. The whole world has gone to shit, people struggle to survive, but there's still this group of people who just want to make human-like robots, and threre's also this other faction who wants to liberate them from their evil creators. Seriously, you have no other fucking things to worry about than humanoid toasters? The whole fucking concept of "the Railroad" is beyond fucking retarded. It's fucking Little Lamplight retarded.

 

He went there.

 

Heh, my first round through I found NCR to be just as bad as the legion, the legion was just more honest about it.

 

Obsidian really missed a great opportunity with Caesar's Legion. Harsh law, in a world that is a Hobbesian war of all against all, brings order, the first necessity. Had Obsidian played that up, and made Caesar an authoritarian who value order and for good reason, rather than just a foul-mouthed thug, THEN the choice would have been interesting.

We are all victims of our time and place, however, and I'm sure the good folks at Obsidian just can't imagine a decent authoritarian imposing very harsh law for a just cause.

 

Is this gonna be another one of those threads where retards post their butthurt about the legion as damning evidence of the lack of grey morality in the game? Even though there's clearly four different factions?

 

NCR are ambiguous but I don't know how people defend the Legion. They were cartoonishly evil, the entrance to their camp is just a wall of crucified skeletons.

The NCR come off as alright in the end, I think, especially when you meet people like that guy who runs McCarran.

 

That's what House was about, which is why I always support him. He wanted to take on the role of benevolent dictator.

 

It's got my SJW Bullshit Detector going into overdrive, I can tell you that. If this game shoves East-Coast liberal piety down my throat.....well fuck that. It's bad enough I have to live here with all these SWP status signaling whores and our ridiculously broken government; I don't need it when I get home as well.

 

Same here. To me, it was the obvious choice. The last thing a wasteland needs is democracy and women's lib.

 

NCR was crap. They were a reflection of everything that was wrong with democracy that led to nuclear armageddon in the first place

 

Pathetic.

 

It's like people debating the 'evils' of corrupt powers like AmeriKWA versus ISIS. And yet all of you would opt to side/live in the US/other corrupt and decadent western democracies over the Caliphate. You can split all the rhetorical hairs you want but the Legion is clearly more 'evil' assuming a traditional understanding of the word.

 

Insert Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner joke

 

That's the thing though, in NV it is a matter of opinion, which is formed based on upbringing and environment. I say this because, being from Russia, I've met people with values and an ideology that pretty much aligns with what Caesar would advocate. They are not nice people, but they very much exist.

"Fallout 3", on the other hand, doesn't provide room for opinion, because the "ideology" and master plan of the bad guys is based on nothing.

 

:3

 

Spot on. Imprerfect democratic state vs Shaira law, harsh, but law nonetheless. Which is better and why?

Such choice. Very hard. Wow.

 

Crucified skeletons of those who opposed the legion. it's beautiful.

I never thought that the codex would be filled by NCR moralfags. See you on the hoover dam motherfuckers.

 

If by eveil you mean overwhelmingly authoritarian, then yes. Punishment for breaking laws was excessive as a deterrent. Order kept through fear. That's how Saddam did it. I don't support it (I think House's strategy was best), but I understand it. It isn't evil, it isn't good, it's just what Caesar felt necessary to keep order.

 

Again, no. It isn't. You can twist things and qualify them to make it a matter of opinion but it really isn't. So one side has corrupt politicians and fighting an arguably unnecessary war and yadda yadda. The other crucifies and decimates people on a whim. Your real life analogy reinforces it since you said they aren't nice people. What is nice? What is good? What is evil. You can split the onion until there are no more layers left. There are widely understood definitions of those words and the Legion is clearly a bunch of 'not nice' people who lean heavily towards the 'evil' spectrum.

Would things be different if MCA or whoever added more content? Probably. But they didn't.

More mental masturbation. 'What is evil?' It's like Clinton asking what the definition of the word 'is' is...

 

If the WCDS actually played games, I'm sure they'd be on your side.

 

Don't forget your small blunt machete, wouldn't want to face a squad of NCR Rangers without it.