Fallout Fallout 4 Thread

Fallout 4 does have farming. There are lots of settlements everywhere, and they sell a part to diamond city presumably. There's even a BoS quest where you go intimidate farmers to get food.

It's watered down but surely F4 is more about the logistics of survival than any Fallout game so far.

 

There are maybe two or three quests I've done so far in which you can avoid combat via a speech check, but those only came at the end of the level, and required me to murder the shit out of around two dozen people to get to that point at the minimum. 90% of the speech checks in the game are for either requesting extra information about something or someone that basically just serves as an excuse to give you some extra XP, or for a negligible increase in the amount you can get paid for a mission, which is pointless since you'll be drowning in caps by mid game that you'll only ever want to spend on junk since surviving via subsistence looting is easier than ever now.

I'd say the most unique quest I've encountered so far is the Silver Shroud one, and that's still focused around murdering people with no alternative options (the most you can do is change the amount of people you kill in the final encounter), and that's just because I get to play as a cosplaying autist fedoralord going around murdering normies.

 

Why not just hire all those guys + Chris Avellone? Inxile and Tim Cain responsible for world, quests dialogs and Arkane Studios focused on level design, stealth, cyber-punk things. It's lot of cash but how was GTA V made? Money rain, klapacious, throw as much as you can. Fallout 4 and 3 sold good because of adverts. Meanwhile I heard AoD sold horribly. I wouldn't even know game like this exists if it weren't for some dude praising it all over the place while bashing Fo4.

Vault 81 is bad place to start with as they can just go into lockdown and are very suspicious when dealing with outsiders never leaving their shelter. The Institute has razed some settlements but taking whole Vault? I know it's derpy location of 20 people but it is established in lore that typical Vault can hold 1000 people and assaulting place built to last nuke drops? Yeah good luck with that.

It is also explained that people in Institute got hit with small dozes of radiation and/or FEV because I believe they have A/C sucking air from outside. It isn't implied but since they hooked up to power generators outside their compound then they aren't technologically advanced as they appear to be.

As how Shaun got into Directors chair can be explained by the fact he was indoctrinated for his whole life and he is puppet to real leaders that don't reveal themselves. It isn't again implied anywhare AFAIK but could be logical explaination.

But why he in particular was kidnapped and how everything else happened is a fair point. I described in other thread how moronic Institute and PC son are.

 

You're still full of shit because saying that something is "style over substance" isn't an excuse for bad storytelling. There wasn't anything about the stories in Fallout, Fallout 2, or New Vegas that lacked their own internal logics or didn't make any sense. In Fallout you have to find a replacement water chip for the vault or else they'll be forced out into the wasteland, then you have to deal with the Master's Army because they'll eventually find and destroy the Vault. In Fallout 2 you have to find the Holy McGuffin or your village will die, and then they're captured by the Enclave and you need to save them. In New Vegas you're seeking revenge against Benny, but end up getting wrapped up in a geopolitical turf war over the Platinum Chip which effectively makes you Kingmaker. There are certainly individual elements that could be nitpicked in each game, but the central core of the story is logical and makes perfect sense.

The same can't be said for Fallout 3 where you're trying to keep the Enclave from turning on the Water Purifier, when your whole goal is to turn on the Water Purifier, or in Fallout 4 where the Institute has no practical reason for ever kidnapping your son, and therefore the entire premise completely goes tits up. Those are the centerpieces of the games' narrative, and hand waving it away because there are ghouls is just weaksauce bullshit.

By the time Kellogg first made contact with the Institute, which was some number of years before he kidnaps Shaun, they're already producing Gen 1 Synths. Those things are basically just T-800s which the Institute can produce indefinitely, so they certainly have the firepower to take down a vault with no real cost to themselves in manpower.

That's also a contrived explanation, because it doesn't make sense that a facility which is so sealed off from the outside world that the only way to get in or out is through teleportation - wouldn't also have its own internal air recycling system. If they're drawing in air from the outside, then the BoS wouldn't have had to bore a nuclear hole into the yard of CIT, they could have just widened the path the air was coming in.

The real leaders are the lead scientists, and they make it apparent after Shaun names you his successor. The Institute is lead by a council of scientists with Father being the Chief, but that doesn't mean he holds dictatorial authority.

 

Aren't those folks limited with power to create those androids until you go and happilly bring them uranium core from Mass Fusion building? Sure it makes sense if they were to order their synths to dig through mountains covering vault but it would be waste of resources to keep spamming them at front entrance. Their goal would be to capture people not kill them either in gunfight or by camping at front door until they run out of food and water (but it is implied that they grow food and they have water chip suppling them with fresh water - which could break as Vault 81 overseer is complaining how that place is falling apart after 200 years).

Yes the fact that they somehow got irradiated is nonsensical but hey it is established why they need vault dwellers and how their scientists don't qualify.

Shaun maybe got lucky or was skilled or because of the fact he made 3rd gen synths possible to make. It isn't explained why he exactly. But there are worse things in the game which aren't explained i.e. how those Atom fanatics in Glowing Sea are shrugging off radiation.

 

Wondered about that, myself. On the way in I found three of Diamond City's wall patrol in a battle with Super Mutants, and I'm pretty sure they would have been slaughtered if I hadn't stepped in. They beckon me further down the path, 'follow the signs, can't miss it'. So I walk along and see the turrets and some barricades and, yeah, I could see this place doing alright. Then I decide to go down an alleyway and check if there's any interesting salvage I can trade with merchaHOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT'S A LOT OF SUPER MUTANTS! I duck into a building and hop over things to keep away from their stupid mutts, and exit...right into a pack of wild, normal hounds. Quick, into the sewer! Oh, a war between raiders and ghouls. Is this entire ruin infested?



Jewel my ass. You could house Diamond City's population in one of the Works of a Vivec Canton. Hardly anyone would notice.

 

Imagining there being some or another medical reason why the institute wanted Shaun is a trivial suspension of disbelief that is inherent in the consumption of any fictional media.

Meanwhile in New Vegas you're shot in head twice point blank and left for dead. A couple of days later after being "patched up" you go on to seek revenge and become the most powerful figure in the land. Now there's a premise that even the average child would find ridiculous.

 

That was just an example -- the quote (and article) were in reference to Fallout 3 (something that should have been gallingly obvious if you had done me the simple courtesy of clicking the link I tracked down to provide context for you).

 

Just let my imagination go wild on Kellogg pistol today.



Love that infinite VATS loop.

 

Actually, given how you usually qualify to become the leader of a faction in Bethesda games, he probably just did a couple of fetch quests for the previous leader and/or killed some bad guy while the dozens of infinitely better suited people there couldn't be bothered with it.

 

You can get pretty stupidly overpowered with pistols. I've been using that and the Deliverer for about 90% of my encounters so far: the latter for sneak attacks, and you can get so many shots in with it with VATS that you can pretty efficiently kill enemies via a death of a thousand cuts if the first shots don't down them, forcing critical after stored critical with each one (and I haven't even bothered to try and invest any points into upping my sneak critical damage or silenced weapon damage yet), and the latter for when they do spot me and I need some heavy-hitting going, since the gun's a better sniping weapon than the intended sniper rifle.

 

Except this isn't true. You COULD make it sound like it's revenge seeking, but overall, there's many dialogue choices and actions that you could do that make the Courier avoid Benny outright, be simply curious of the package and desire teamwork with Benny, be disgruntled and avoid New Vegas as much as possible after learning information about your assailant, or show fear of New Vegas isn't exactly maintained well by House, as his own prodigy is basically running amok, and then focus on the other factions instead. Or simply be curious of what Benny's doing, find out, and take over instead after realizing how much potential power and change you can do with that sort of deal.

Hell, there was supposed to be another choice where the player can outright leave the Mojave to it's own fate by exiting the gates at the Mojave Outpost. I believe the Deadline fucked that over.

Gee, I wonder who did that.

 

Reminds me of Geneforge 2, where you can also leave any time you want and get different endings depending on what you did
That would've been cool to see.

 

Way of the Samurai allowed you to wander off whenever you wished, just one more face that journeyed through Rokkotsu Pass in its final days.

 

Except several people have been shot in the head and survived before, sometimes with minimal or no brain damage. There's even the famous case of that guy who survived a railroad spike being lodged in his cranium and ended up with an antisocial disorder. The hoopla surrounding the Platinum Chip is also based on a conspiracy that was set in motion before the Player Character ever arrived in the Mojave.

That doesn't even come close to the very real issue that Shaun was never necessary to produce 3rd Gen Synths. It's easy to suspend disbelief before you actually know why they did it, and once it's explained the issues are so self-evidently retarded that it's impossible for any thinking person to not immediately spot the issue. Your apologetics in this regard are downright pathetic.

 

I love Fallout 4. I also love beer.

 

lol seeing Gun Nut and other crafting perks having Level Requirement is pr. annoying.
I wanted to mod Kellogg gun and realize the most I can do is a Rank 0 mod to increase damage while the rest is Rank 3 or above.

And what's with the stores having scaled ammo stock? .44 ammo is non-existent for my Lvl 9 character. Had to download Ammo Crafting mod.

 

side note: I haven't used the Fatman, but does the explosion send enemies flying? From what I recall from suiciders and other clips, getting hit by a mininuke/nuclear explosion makes the most boring death scene happen: You slump onto the ground, DED. Not flying from the shockwave and into buildings, or flying into the air in a humorous style, but just...fall over as if someone poked you gently while you're somehow falling asleep standing up. GOTY, anyone?

 

https://youtu.be/5YVQN_tgMgE?t=1333

 

Wow, he literally just slumps to the ground. Thanks for the info, looks like I won't be touching that weapon anytime soon.

 

It's not really a spam-like weapon. I only use it when I meet a bullet sponge.
Missile Launchers work too.

 

If you want to know how DR work, formula is Final Damage = Min(Damage, 0.5 *Damage^1.366 / DR ^ 0.366)

 

If you're patient enough you'll eventually just find a .44 with a Powerful Receiver and Comfort Grip. Gun Nut is completely redundant unless you're going for Automatic and Big Gun mods.

 

Does revolver mods compatible with Kellog's? I remember some uniques having compatibility issues.

 

Well I meant Stalker: Clear Sky. The third one was Call of Pripyat.

I googled a youtube video for the first one--Shadows of Chernobyl--and wow it looks fun: