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Fallout Fallout 4 Thread

Discussion in 'Bethesda Game Studios' started by Daedalos, Nov 10, 2015.

  1. Curious_Tongue Larpfest Patron

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    What? You think Fallout 3 is superior to Fallout 4?
     
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  2. Lemming42 Arcane

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    Fallout 3 had (badly done) branching quests, (badly done) alternate solutions to quests, (badly done) different builds with different ways to use your skillset, reasonably well-done exploration in the usual Bethesda style and, perhaps, a slightly bigger world map. It certainly felt denser than Fo4.

    Fallout 4 has none of those things, unless you count the crap CHA checks you get once in a blue moon. The only thing that's notably better than in Fo3 is the combat (which still basically sucks), everything else is a step down. I guess the story and setting are less outright offensively bad than in 3, but at least 3 has the hideous B-movie "we've got to stop these people fixing the purifier we want fixed" thing going on, Fo4 is just thoroughly boring.
     
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    All the new gimmicks and features seem to be based at least partially on the most popular Fallout 3/NV and Skyrim mods without them really understanding why said mods were popular. This has resulted in a game that is mostly enjoyable, but without any heart thus making it get boring relatively quickly.

    My guess is that they had no idea what they actually wanted to do with the franchise, hence why they contracted Obsidian to do a follow-up to 3 in the hopes they'd steer the franchise in a workable direction. Lacking the writing ability and inspiration, they tried a bastardization of F3 and NV plots to an awkward delivery that by necessity results in a very narrow/ non-existant story branch.

    I believe the update to the mechanics of the game range from ok to good, with the exception of dialouge. I'm hoping they'll contract out another spinoff ala NV style to another developer (even if it isn't Obsidian) to ideally turn what's a good but underwhelming game into something that has good gameplay and depth.

    Let's hope Bethesda is open to criticism. If they are, the next iteration or spinoff could be a thoroughly enjoyable game. If not, I have significant concerns that future Fallout and Elder Scrolls installments are going to suffer to a point where mods won't even make the games worth playing. Fallout 4 DLC will likely be a sign of what the future of these IP's will be. Let's hope they were serious about fan feedback shaping Fallout 4 DLC...
     
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    Fallout 4 is the better shooter. Fallout 3 had better 'RPG elements' which is saying something...
     
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  5. Lhynn Arcane

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    What? You dont?
    :what:
     
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    Did you play the fucking game?
     
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    Fallout 4 is way better than 3. What the fuck.

    Way more "mods will fix it" potential.
     
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  8. Lhynn Arcane

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    So all the roleplaying elements replaced with better quality shooting and autist awareness systems make for a better game.
     
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    What roleplaying elements? Karma? Skills? lmao
     
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  10. Lhynn Arcane

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    Ayup, plus a blank slate protagonist instead of dad.
     
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    Or mother.

    And how is a child from a vault any more blank slate than a person from the past?
     
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    You can larp your own voice.
     
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  13. Curious_Tongue Larpfest Patron

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    I don't really roleplay, I avatar.

    I couldn't imagine roleplaying any character in fallout 3's setting though.
     
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    I agree, though I think Fallout 4 has the better story, which is also saying something.
     
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    Fallout 4's environment is a hell of a lot more logical as well. Seeing farms and multiple settlements makes The Commonwealth feel a lot more alive.
     
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    I like the Companions commenting on your actions and on the locations you visit.

    It's cosmetic, but it feels like your progress and achievements are acknowledged.
     
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    More vertical places too. Though I stopped playing at lexington, maybe it's the only place like that :M
     
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    More importantly, why are you retards arguing as if a blank slate protagonist is a bad thing? It's not, forced emotional attachment and predefined shit characters are much worse, Fallout 4's PC is awful because he has a voice, because you can't control his shit dialogue, because he is always a pre-war married new father faggot.

    Fallout 3's Protagonist was way more blank slate than the new PoS, and was better for it, NV took it further by defining little else save for you having been a courier who was shot.
     
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    So the difference here is that the Fallout 3 character doesn't have a voice. Such blank slatings.
     
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    And that he didnt have a career, and that he wasnt married and had a family, and that he was a good guy or a good sarcastic guy, and that he didnt have a son, and neither his way of talking or his manerisms. The only thing you get to define about your character is its name in FO4.
    Why dont you piss off instead of answering inane shit.
     
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    Yeah he had a dad! LOL

    COme on, play the fallout 3 prologue again. You even get to overcome bullying (with deep C&C). :happytrollboy:
     
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    FO4's protagonist feels like a heavy handed way of engaging the player. All Fallout player characters are like this to a degree and are not completely blank slates, though this is the most aggressive version of it yet:

    Fallout 1: Vault Dweller in searching for a water chip.
    Fallout 2: Descendant of the first Vault Dweller, tribal, Chosen One, searching for a GECK.
    Fallout 3: Vault dweller, son of Liam Neeson, betrayed by the overseer, searching for daddy.
    Fallout New Vegas: Courier, hired by Benny, betrayed and left for dead, searching for Benny.
    Fallout 4: 200 year old War Veteran and house owner, frozen in a vault, had a spouse named Nate or Nora that was murdered and a male baby named Shuan that was kidnapped, searching for Shuan who himself is locked into a certain background.

    In FO4, your history, your spouse's history and your son's history are all locked from the start.
     
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  23. Curious_Tongue Larpfest Patron

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    I never made any claim about a blank slate being inferior. I thought most here would logically assume no-one would make such a claim about a roleplaying game.

    I don't think growing up in a vault is neccessarily more blank slate than growing up pre-war. There's countless variables from the outside world that could shape countless larp characters.
     
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    I missed about half of those during my playthrough but stuff like "KILL EVIL SCIENCE LADY" vs "KILL Honest Dan", which I did play, are hardly inspiring alternate quest solutions. The rest look to be about on the level of Fargo's legendary "do I save this drowning kid or let him drown" school of choices.

    Comparatively:
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Wasteland_Survival_Guide_(quest)
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/You_Gotta_Shoot_'Em_in_the_Head
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Tenpenny_Tower_(quest)
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Trouble_in_Big_Town
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Trouble_on_the_Homefront

    And to avoid cherrypicking, here's some really shite linear quests that still manage to have some kind of choice at the end:
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Reilly's_Rangers_(quest)
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Superhuman_Gambit
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Agatha's_Song

    The alternate solutions also involved, occasionally, skill checks. Granted, it was terrible "[Science] You're a computer!" type stuff but they were still essentially skill checks which changed the outcome or course of quests.
     
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