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Game News Fargo being serious about crowdfunding Wasteland 2

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by Zed, Feb 15, 2012.

  1. Lyesmith Liturgist

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    Reminding him in this thread, in regard to crowd-funding, gives false hope, please stop.
     
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  2. Brayko Self-Ejected

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  3. almondblight Arcane

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    Damn, all this time I assumed that Fargo was responsible for Wasteland and Bard's Tale. I just looked it up, and it looks like most of the game was made by a guy called Alan Pavlish, with an RPG system created by a couple other guys. Those guys and Fargo (being the owner of the company) did some input.

    People are getting excited because Fargo produced a good game made by Pavlish 25 years ago?
     
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  4. nihil Augur

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    No. I think people are getting excited about the promise to make a real attempt at replicating the Wasteland experience, including skill based gameplay and turn-based combat. Let's hope he's got it in him. At least he wants to try.
     
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  5. almondblight Arcane

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    There are people that seriously think this will be turn-based?
     
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    This is the kind of statement I've learned to fear and loathe.
     
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    So all it took was some pledges and suddenly in a few days the entire Wasteland development team reforms...JVC fuck off from C&C and get back to M&M! Chris Jones, where's my new Tex Murphy you bastard? Lawrence Holland, I want a new Tie Fighter!

    Fuck it man, lets get the word out and reform LGS and SSI Gold Box team while we're fucking at it!

    YEEEAHHHAHHH!!!!!!
     
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  11. nihil Augur

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    Oh, I just assumed it will be. Otherwise it could hardly be a sequel "for dedicated Wasteland fans", as Fargo put it.
     
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  12. commie The Last Marxist Patron

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    Well Jagged Alliance Reloaded was also supposed to be for 'dedicated fans'. :M
     
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  13. HanoverF Arcane Patron

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    MCA Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Codex USB, 2014 Divinity: Original Sin 2
    If it does stay true to the original Wasteland I wonder how many people who fund it because it was the precursor to Fallout 3 will be upset it looks like Etrian Odyssey.
     
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  14. jazzotron Liturgist

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    If only... *sigh*

    Although in this day and age, expect raep. (Later Tex games were FPP - not that far a move to FPS...)
     
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  15. Grim Monk Arcane

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    A minor thing to keep in mind:

    It looks like InXile probably doesn't own the rights to the original game, only to the name Wasteland.
    Link: http://wasteland.rockdud.net/wasteland.html

    This was the case with Fargo's 2004 "Bards Tale", and to quote Wikipedia...
     
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  17. Grim Monk Arcane

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    So did Fargo buy EA's Copyright of the original?

    EA allowed the trademark for the name to lapse, it was bought by Konami for Yu-Gi-Oh but not used.
    Later Brian Fargo bought the name from Konami.

    That's all I could find out, unless Brian bought it (or has a personal licence from his days at Interplay), EA still has the Copyright.

    If so, that means that EA can't make another Wasteland game (probably not even resell the original), because Inxile holds the "name rights"
    But Inxile can't use any of the plot of the original, as that's covered by EA's copyright.



    It would be a similar situation to System Shock.

    EA owns the System Shock name trademark, but the game's copyright was owned by Looking Glass.

    That's why System Shock is not sold, and the lack of a System Shock 3.
     
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    If I am reading it correctly, "Wasteland" is entirely owned by Inexile to make any video games with that name etc etc.

    If you look up Bards Tale, The Bard's Tale is still owned by EA. Bard's Tale is owned by Inexile, thus they could not many any references at all to The Bards Tale.


    In the case of System Shock, some Banking Company owns the rights to it, after LGS went out of business. I do not know the entire specifics. I am not a Copyright Lawyer heh.
     
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  19. Grim Monk Arcane

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    You :p yourself posted an article on it a while back, that's how I knew about it:
    Link: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/why-we-will-never-get-a-system-shock-3.61799/
    The original story: http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/713030/the-lost-history-of-system-shock/


    I'm not a lawyer either.

    Anyway, I may be wrong about EA and the Wasteland rights.
    It was just a possibility that should be mentioned...
     
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    After what they had to carefully avoid with Bard's Tale, I'd be pretty certain they already did their homework on having all the rights to Wasteland (and it looks like it). And they know more about this crap than we do. heh
     
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  21. Grim Monk Arcane

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    Okay, back on topic.

    What worries me also about Wasteland 2, is that the atmosphere of the original had really wacky elements.
    In a way, it is far closer to TSR's Gamma World then Fallout ever came.

    I'm unsure of how they can keep that atmosphere with improved graphics.

    The minimalist style of the original helped when fighting stuff like:
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    You feel when like your fighting this:
    [​IMG]
    Source: http://index.rpg.net/display-covers.phtml?mainid=2047

    How do you go about translating this feel to isometric...
     
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  22. commie The Last Marxist Patron

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    So now it has come to whining that replacing some low res barely colour static images will break 'immershun'...

    Why do you people even want remakes? Just play the original 7 times! Wasteland is not Gamma World just as 99.9% of computer RPG's based on tabletop worlds are not 100% true to the art style or layout of the worlds described in the books they are based on. I don't see people howling that PS:T is not true to the material it is based on or FG.

    Can't wait for Garriott to announce a remake of Ultima 1 and people to start whining that it's not going to be CGA.
     
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  23. Skittles He ruins the fun.

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    Well, graphics serve a function--they're the manifestation of the game's mechanics. The old graphics support the old mechanics well.

    If the graphics are made better, it's either to better support the mechanics or they're being created for the sake of better graphics alone.

    The latter is retarded, especially on a game with a small budget, and probably doesn't need to be addressed.

    The former implies that they're going to fuck with the game's mechanics, like the new JA game. It updated the graphics to support RTS mechanics. For people who want an old franchise revived, they don't want to see that kind of overhaul of the core mechanics. Isn't that the point of sequels? Refinement of the same rather than complete retooling? If a company's going to build a completely new game, use an original IP, for God's sake.

    I don't think I share the exact concerns of @GrimMonk, but I think the resistance to new graphics has a basis. Nobody's saying it has to be identical to be good, but if they try to animate enemies like that, it's likely that 1) it'll look retarded, 2) they'll cut the more difficult to animate (and fun) enemy types, or 3) it'll cost them a lot of time and money that they either don't have or should be using to design other parts of the game.
     
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  24. Grim Monk Arcane

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    The problem is not that I don't like "high concept graphics and production values".
    The worrying aspect is that it might just end up looking silly...

    Wasteland had even more "far out" (i.e. soft) sci fi aspects then Fallout did:
    The Gamma World'ish Robots.
    The Agricultural Center (15 foot carrots, 8 foot corn, Harry the Bunny Master...)
    The Temple of Blood.
    Ect, ect...

    Stuff like this might work when its mostly in your imagination, but it's hard to represent in detail without looking stupid...
     
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    https://twitter.com/#!/BrianFargo/status/171013680434130944/photo/1

    Some OLD concept art they did on a much older Wasteland remake project a couple years ago. And a new quote:


     
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