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FO3 is not nearly as bad as you hystronic nerds make it out to be

Discussion in 'Bethesda Game Studios' started by ThatsRightImInIt, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. redactir Artist Formerly Known as Prosper

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    I should probably take this opportunity to shit on FO3 some more.. I don't often talk about it.

    Fallout 3 is a vain attempt at inclusivity of elements of the olds games. It's about shit no one really cares about and is more fun to think about reasons to care about it instead.
    But all is definitely shit in Fallout 3. A nightmare of level design in the prison of unfinished dreams.

    It doesn't help itself by having many consequences of the game's quest design and backstory close off openess it desperately needs.
    1) being locked out the vault 101 for no reason for certain periods
    2a) raiders are raiders, but always violent as if they are irradiated angry ghouls
    2b) lame ogre mutants
    3a) dumbass ending options pre-DLC game (hard to forgive this happened)
    3b) ultmately almost no ending-slide differences
    4) the linear & corny liberty prime endgame-sequence
    5) invisble walls (yay laziness)
    etc

    Low effort quest designs.
    Watered down customization of the player character.
    Stat checks are shit and not widely used enough.
    Derpy main bosses e.g. John Henry Eden and Colonel Autumn
    Unkillable main characters (very lazy and terrible repercussions on plot flexibiility)


    I'm starting to get angry going over all this. I'll end this post with: the worldspace for the wasteland doesnt' faciliate enjoyable wandering.
    All of fucking bethesda's attempts at a wasteland are shit. The wandering is just cancerously predictable and meaningless.
     
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  2. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Oh yeah, good memory.

    The moment I realized VATS was broken, was when I accidentally stumbled into Fort Bannister. Think I was like lvl 5-10 at the time, pretty weak still.
    I started being raked with gunfire. Lost like half my HP. Then, I saw one guy load up and shoot a rocket from afar.
    On a reflex, I hit VATS.

    I had already realized I was borderline invencible with VATS, but not how invincible I truly was.
    I mean, rockets.
    In the original games, rockets coming on your direction meant you were already dead, 90% of the time.
    So, here's what I did: I shot the perp on the arms and heads, and enjoyed my magical invicibility as the rocket harmlessely splashed onto me.

    WHAT. THE. FUCK.



    Its not a coincidence that VATS was nerfed in FNV.
     
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  3. WilliamLarrySwirl Literate

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    I always liked Fallout 3. It was my first Fallout. But compared to Fallout 1&2 it’s garbage.
     
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  4. unfairlight ヽ(✿゚▽゚)ノ Patron

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    Fallout 3 wasn't even really Oblivion with guns because I couldn't really find myself lost in the world or enjoy many of the quests. It really had nearly nothing going for it, it had abysmal gameplay, ugly graphics, a boring world and trash writing. People treat Bethesda games post Morrowind here as a personal 9/11 to be sure, but if we ever have a serious discussion then most would just say that it's not really above 5/10.
    I can only really think of Fallout 3 as a worse Fallout New Vegas and Bethesda's worst game if not for Fallout 76.
     
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  5. JDR13 Augur

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    I found Fallout 3 playable after modding the hell out of it. The vanilla game is terrible. Anyone trying to argue against that is either an idiot or just trolling.
     
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  6. ShadowSpectre Learned

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    Fallout 3 is better than Fallout 4. I'll give you that. The game still has no character and was a disappointment. We all just wanted Van Buuren.
     
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  7. EldarEldrad Educated

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    What are you talking about? Flatout 3 was the shittiest clusterfuck mess I ever played.
     
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  8. Kyl Von Kull The Night Tripper Patron

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    Like I said the last time this came up:

     
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  9. laclongquan Arcane

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    There is one original sin, one unsalvageable aspect of the game that I note you avoid to even touching it. The one thing that pin FO3 on the pillar of shame for eternity:

    Shit Writings

    Writings in FO3 is seeping into gamer's experience and mood, eventually kick them out of the desire to want to play it. And it can never be fixed by mods. Fallout New Vegas escape FO3's sin by write anew what they can, because otherwise it's unbearable to think about.
     
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  10. Deadman Arcane Patron

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    Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    It's actually worse.
     
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  11. Jonathan "Zee Cat Educated

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    I agree to disagree, while it was a good test for the engine used on new vegas, the plot being "interesting", the overall game feel blend. I still three dog was the dj tough.
     
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  12. curry Arcane

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    Fallout 4 was much better than Fallout 3. It was actually quite decent.
     
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  13. Darkzone Arcane

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    FO4 is better FO3, but it is far from a decent cRPG. What makes FO4 a better game is the settlement building aspect.
    I have not played at least 80% of the main story line, but i have build everywhere bases with a good production output and established trade routes with checkpoints between them.
    Sadly the cleanup modes are causing bugs and crashes in my games.
     
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  14. Nifft Batuff Learned

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    I played through FO3 once (including dlcs) and through FONV twice (including dlcs). I tried to play FO4 at least two times but I quit both times after only 3-4 hours, and then uninstalled the game. It was too much boring in every aspects for me. It is the compendium of all that is it wrong in latest gen gaming (excluding microtransactions and online gaming, but for this fallout 76 happened).

    By the way, I am speechless when people criticize fallout 4 and then say that they played the thing for 350+ h. These a serious cases of mental disorders (and psychological conditioning).
     
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  15. Dodo1610 Savant

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    Fallout 3 was so boring I had to play it through twice to believe it, after all everyone loved it so there had to be something wrong with me I thought back then. I think that was the game that made me realise that most people just enjoy playing shit games for some reason.
     
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  16. Darkzone Arcane

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    Are you retarded? You don't know what you are talking about.
    If you like Minecraft and other base building games ( like Subnautica ) then you will like this in FO4. I could not make myself play the main story line and i have given up entirely upon it in this regard. The only reason for me to play the main story would be to get the institute technology and assets as an building option.
    You can criticise one thing about a game while loving an other thing about it.
     
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  17. Dr Skeleton Cipher

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    I now see that F3 is not nearly as bad as I thought before reading the OP, sure the gameplay is shit and the story is retarded, but on the other hand they completely butchered the system from F1/2 when it was ineptly crammed into an awful FPS. They also apparently made an even worse game 10 years later, so it's all fine now.
     
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  18. Wayward Son Fails to keep valuable team members alive

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    You have to be genuinely mentally deficient to think that slapping aimed shots with invincibility frames and slomo is the same as a turn based mechanic.
    I disagree only in the case of New Vegas. New Vegas is the rape baby that went on to become a successful doctor.

    Also, you admit it has shit writing. And world. And story. You know what everyone loved about the originals? Writing, story and world. The main problem is that Fallout was originally a darker ode to Wasteland (a game I could hush endlessly about). Wasteland had a far more irreverent tone than Fallout. Fallout 2 went back a bit to that slightly irreverent tone and received (much deserved imo) backlash over it. Fallout 3 had the irreverent tone of Fallout 2, but you could feel that they wanted the darker tone of the first game so it ends up accomplishing neither effectively and ends up playing out like shitty satire that takes itself way too seriously. This is in stark contrast with the series’ roots in Wasteland, which barely took itself seriously before the last hour or two and as such made good satire on the dark tropes in post apocalypse media. Nor does it accomplish Fallout 1’s dry, dark humor that was actually well placed and timed.

    As well, you mention that SPECIAL is retained. This is a lie. The SPECIAL in Fallout 1 is like a salmon majestically swimming upstream. Fallout 3, in this analogy, is a stuffed fish you threw in the Potomac and when it floated momentarily you shouted “LOOK! IT SWIMS!!”. It does nothing of the sort, short of looking like the real deal in the most basic, shallow ways. You mention the perks yourself so I’ll take this opportunity to point out that no, they are not the same. Whereas in Fallout 1, you have perks 1 every 3 levels that mostly (I will admit there were some of the “add x to y skill” perks, but they were far rarer) had a significant effect on how you played the game’s combat and dialogue systems. On top of this, a similar mechanic that is completely missing in Fallout 3 is Traits. These are similar to perks with two major differences: first, they are chosen at the start and short of one of your few perks (I think you get 7 in the first game) there’s no way to change them, and they come with both a positive and a negative. This made the start of your character build far more interesting. I’ll leave this point here but I can keep elaborating if you wish.

    Another point, its world is static. Nothing you do affects it much. I can confidently say this after playing through almost every quest. The only time you can cause a direct effect on the world is the aforementioned nuking of Megaton, which does what again? Locks off a couple minor tasks and removes a store from the game and your dad gives you a slap on the wrist. Doesn’t even affect Megaton’s major quest. Speaking of Moira’s quest, this one actually has some minor effects you can see but that are almost meaningless unless you wear your heart on your sleeve. Basically the less good your data is, the more likely a random encounter with someone who read her book goes wrong. That’s it. Most times it comes down to “which group do I want to die in this town I’m never returning to?”. And that’s at most. Usually it’s even more shallow.

    I’d keep going but I have class starting soon.
     
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  19. Jacob Hey, it's me, I Patron

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    ... had Fallout 3 as their first Fallout.
     
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  20. Jedi Master Radek Arcane

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    This is sadly a dogma behind much of a modern design, be it in games or in website design. Modern designers believe that users can't process too much information on one screen, hence their hide information behind various tabs, or use big blank spaces on the websites.
     
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  21. Diggfinger Cipher

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    Im with you to some extend, with the caveat that the meaningful choices and interesting character development (for the most part) was out the window.

    However, I generally enjoyed playing the game (at least until F:NV came out). It was indeed exciting the see the Fallout-world in 3D. And although nothing new was added, I liked seeing the mutants, raiders etc. up close.
    Also really liked the VATS-system, which works perfectly on consoles btw. (probably less brilliant if playing on PC).


    Naturally, I wish Bashitsta never touches Fallout again with a 10-foot pole. However, admittedly, the success of F3 was what finally brought New Vegas about and it brought the franchise to a whole new generation of gamers which is great for the IP as such.

    Let's hope that the Troika (or at least Obsidian?) some day get their hands on it again :salute:
     
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  22. Ranarama Learned

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    All I remember is everything being brown, stupid cutscenes being the only thing preventing you from killing the bad guy, and needing mods to fix everything.
     
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  23. Nifft Batuff Learned

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    Ok..., you can find something that you like in everything I suppose. I liked Subnautica a lot too (never played minecraft) but I found also these aspects of gameplay mediocre at best in FO4. But you see, your comment say a lot about how skewed the game is.
     
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  24. Wayward Son Fails to keep valuable team members alive

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    Yeah this was the only thing my brother enjoyed about the game and he played it for a hundred hours or so I think
     
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  25. Kaethar Novice

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    I liked most of the side quests in FO3 tbh, only thing I disliked about the game was some parts of the main quest.
     
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