taxalot
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This is the dumbest thing ever. Valve should just pull out of France
I was telling the same thing to your dad about your mom.
This is the dumbest thing ever. Valve should just pull out of France
You can't be fucking serious. Put up an entire movie up on youtube with your commentary and it's going to be fair use as well?LOL. Also "Let's Play's" are customers making use of another one of their rights and not something that "the industry" is doing, it's called "Fair Use" and has also been hard-fought and still causes problems with some publishers.I'm not aware of any other entertainment medium that coddles the buyer to such an extent. There are no free dramatic readings of the latest books, no 'Let's Watch' videos of the latest movies on youtube etc. Yet somehow this isn't enough?
VAC bans don't prevent people or accounts from playing games (not even Online), they just limit/restrict their Online playing capabilities to play on servers that have VAC disabled and with other VAC banned people. As such, I don't see what would be "illegal" about them. Other developers banning people from playing their bought games over using swear words or removing their ability to play their bought games might be, but Valve has been very careful to never truly disable Steam accounts or the ability of people to play their games unless it's actual fraud (even when payment gets retracted, they usually just "limit" the account so that someone can't buy more games).Not only that, the VAC ban is illegal as well.
It's mostly about your right to Ownership over what you buy. The right to resell what you own arises directly from it. If you own something, you should be able to resell it, if you don't then you can't.If I was at all concerned about protecting my rights (in this specific case) to resell my games/property, I would buy physical which I already do for console games whenever I can avoid digital.
The number of people in this thread that are more concerned about Valve's profits than their consumer rights is mind boggling. And more and more keep coming out of the woodwork. People who are sure unless they let Valve do whatever Valve wants to do to them to maximize the money they make video games will surely end.
Is Valve running some kind of cult or something?
Misconstruing our argument.Valve is trying to claim that you are (legally) just a "Subscriber" to their "Subscription service" and what you are purchasing is "Subscriptions". It's not only about Valve though, the same can be said for E-books bought from Amazon or music from iTunes or whatever. There seem to be an awful lot of people here putting their hands up and yelling "I bought this/paid full money for it, but I don't actually own it and <Service provider> can always retract my right to use it for any reason whatsoever!".
I wasn't aware that I got a brand new car when I bought a used one.There is a second hand market for everything. Absolutely everything. Cars. Houses. Computers. Phones. Clothes. Every day appliances.
But video games ? Oh boy, that'd be problematic. The editors have actually managed to make people believe that second hand games could "harm" the industry. That's how many fucking pills some of you guys have swallowed.
VAC bans don't prevent people or accounts from playing games (not even Online), they just limit/restrict their Online playing capabilities to play on servers that have VAC disabled and with other VAC banned people. As such, I don't see what would be "illegal" about them. Other developers banning people from playing their bought games over using swear words or removing their ability to play their bought games might be, but Valve has been very careful to never truly disable Steam accounts or the ability of people to play their games unless it's actual fraud (even when payment gets retracted, they usually just "limit" the account so that someone can't buy more games).Not only that, the VAC ban is illegal as well.
It's mostly about your right to Ownership over what you buy. The right to resell what you own arises directly from it. If you own something, you should be able to resell it, if you don't then you can't.If I was at all concerned about protecting my rights (in this specific case) to resell my games/property, I would buy physical which I already do for console games whenever I can avoid digital.
Valve is trying to claim that you are (legally) just a "Subscriber" to their "Subscription service" and what you are purchasing is "Subscriptions". It's not only about Valve though, the same can be said for E-books bought from Amazon or music from iTunes or whatever. There seem to be an awful lot of people here putting their hands up and yelling "I bought this/paid full money for it, but I don't actually own it and <Service provider> can always retract my right to use it for any reason whatsoever! Yessir!".
The legal status being what it is, I don't see a way that any EU court (and many courts in most Western countries outside of the US) will agree that someone can purchase a product, pay the full price upfront, enter a purchase agreement like they used to at the store and gets to play what they acquired for an unlimited amount of time, but that he hasn't actually bought the product, but just a "Subscription" to it, that can be retracted at any time for almost any reason whatsoever. There's just no way this will be justified under current consumer laws, and it's really just a matter of time.
There are physical barriers to trading physical media that you're purposely ignoring because it doesn't fit your argument.So you mean it's like books and movies, where for their age of existence people have been trading them legally for same exact copies. And so were physical games, by the way. A wrapper that is slightly worn or a disc hardly scratched is inconsequential.
There are physical barriers to trading physical media that you're purposely ignoring because it doesn't fit your argument.So you mean it's like books and movies, where for their age of existence people have been trading them legally for same exact copies. And so were physical games, by the way. A wrapper that is slightly worn or a disc hardly scratched is inconsequential.
I can't sell someone 3,000 miles away a book and have them receive it immediately with zero effort on my end. I have to deal with packaging and shipping the item, and question if it's even worth my time to sell a $10 used book.
You can't be fucking serious. Put up an entire movie up on youtube with your commentary and it's going to be fair use as well?
The solution will likely result in you getting a tiny cut, with the rest going to valve and the publishers.When Valve finds out they can sell the game twice with paying the editor only once, you BET they are going to find a solution.
The solution will likely result in you getting a tiny cut, with the rest going to valve and the publishers.When Valve finds out they can sell the game twice with paying the editor only once, you BET they are going to find a solution.