From out of nowhere, new enhanced versions(!) of Thief 2 and System Shock 2

[Infinitron]

Question: I've used Creative Alchemy up until now to get 3D sound from these games.

Apparently this is no longer required, yet when I delete dsound.dll and dsound.ini from Thief's directory, I can no longer enable EAX in the game options (but can still enable "hardware audio"). Does that mean it's using OpenAL?

If you click on hardware audio again it will change to oppenal at least in Thief 1. I'm pretty sure settings it to on doesn't actually work in Win7. When you load a level it reverts to off. I have an Asks Sonar though, which adds more complexity to the situation.

Very cool.

 

[Multidirectional]

I had a problem after switching to Win 7 where even with Creative Alchemy I couldn't get EAX to work in Thief Gold. It does work with it now. And no more need for single core fix. Yay. Fucking GOTY. Perfect time to run through all Thief games and replay SS2 later too. Thank you mysterious modder.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Thank you mysterious modder.

Hey you're welcome.

 

[sea]

Question: I've used Creative Alchemy up until now to get 3D sound from these games.

Apparently this is no longer required, yet when I delete dsound.dll and dsound.ini from Thief's directory, I can no longer enable EAX in the game options (but can still enable "hardware audio"). Does that mean it's using OpenAL?

I think this might be broken. I've noticed that the reverbs etc. do not apply when using OpenAL and I cannot enable EAX when this setting is turned on. The logs indicate things are working but I don't think the effects are actually being used.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

It works with my soundcard (Recon3D), that is both OpenAL and EAX effects.

Make sure to have the latest OpenAL libraries installed.

 

[sea]

It works with my soundcard (Recon3D), that is both OpenAL and EAX effects.

Make sure to have the latest OpenAL libraries installed.

I have a Creative X-Fi with the latest drivers - I believe they include OpenAL, and might be newer than the ones publicly available on the Creative site. I'll try installing the "latest" ones from 2009 when I get home... unless there are other OpenAL drivers I don't know about?

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Don't use those from the Creative site, they're a bit outdated. I think OAL 2.1 are the latest ones.

 

[Gragt]

Latest OpenAL drivers: http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=548634

 

[Infinitron]

Latest OpenAL drivers: http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=548634

 

[Jaesun]

 

[ghostdog]

It's up to veterans like Gragt to keep the Codex traditions

 

[Icewater]

Latest OpenAL drivers: http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=548634

Ha ha! NoScript saves my life once again.

 

[Twinkle]

Question: I've used Creative Alchemy up until now to get 3D sound from these games.

Apparently this is no longer required, yet when I delete dsound.dll and dsound.ini from Thief's directory, I can no longer enable EAX in the game options (but can still enable "hardware audio"). Does that mean it's using OpenAL?

If you click on hardware audio again it will change to oppenal, at least in Thief 1. I'm pretty sure setting it to on doesn't actually work in Win7. When you load a level it reverts to off. I have an Asus Xonar though, which adds more complexity to the situation.

You and any other Xonar owner on this board should check this (it's safe to click i promise lol): http://brainbit.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/asus-xonar-unified-drivers/. Modded drivers have the latest OpenAL and stuff patched in by default.

 

[Gragt]

Latest OpenAL drivers: http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=548634

Ha ha! NoScript saves my life once again.

NoScript is the cover system of internet browsing.

 

[sea]

Don't use those from the Creative site, they're a bit outdated. I think OAL 2.1 are the latest ones.

Tried installing them. EAX effects (occlusion and reverb/echo) do not work. EAX itself appears greyed out, though I'm not sure if that is intended. dsoundlog.txt says "Failed to init OpenAL."

 

[tuluse]

Don't use those from the Creative site, they're a bit outdated. I think OAL 2.1 are the latest ones.

Tried installing them. EAX effects (occlusion and reverb/echo) do not work. EAX itself appears greyed out, though I'm not sure if that is intended. dsoundlog.txt says "Failed to init OpenAL."

From the main menu, I can set any different audio settings I want. However, once the game has actually been started, if I had hardware acceleration set to "on", it turns itself to off and EAX is greyed out. Also, I can't change hardware acceleration or number of audio channels once the game has started. With hardware acceleration set to "OpenAL" I can turn EAX on and off once the game has started. I haven't bothered with hardware acceleration set to "off" since I got it working this way.

 

[sea]

From the main menu, I can set any different audio settings I want. However, once the game has actually been started, if I had hardware acceleration set to "on", it turns itself to off and EAX is greyed out. Also, I can't change hardware acceleration or number of audio channels once the game has started. With hardware acceleration set to "OpenAL" I can turn EAX on and off once the game has started. I haven't bothered with hardware acceleration set to "off" since I got it working this way.

Yeah, that doesn't work for me. It's greyed out with OpenAL enabled both on the main menu and after loading up a level.

EDIT: thief.log gives me this:

: OpenAL Init...
: OpenAL32.dll: 6.14.357.25
: wrap_oal.dll: 2.2.0.7
: Default device: SB X-Fi Audio [0001]
: Enumerating devices without validation...
: Device: SB X-Fi Audio [0001]
: Device: Generic Software
: found 2 unvalidated device(s)
: Opening user defined OpenAL device "SB X-Fi Audio [0001]"...
: Device 0 (default)
: name : SB X-Fi Audio [0001]
: version : 1.1
: version str: OpenAL version 1.1
: vendor : Creative Labs Inc.
: renderer : SB X-Fi Audio [0001]
: 3D sources : 112
: 2D sources : 8
: EFX : 1
: EAX2 : 1
: EAX3 : 1
: EAX4 : 0
: EAX5 : 0
: occlusion : 1
: XRAM : 1
: Opened device 'SB X-Fi Audio [0001]'
: EAX reverb support enabled
: occlusion support enabled

I don't think it's working for one reason or another, if only because I can't hear the effects at all.

 

[Tolknaz]

Latest OpenAL drivers: http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=548634

 

[Infinitron]

Learn from the mistakes of others, Tolknaz.

 

[MetalCraze]

Creative having forums and providing support to customers is the first giveaway, faggots.

 

[sea]

Creative having forums and providing support to customers is the first giveaway, faggots.

Brings back memories of the time when uninstalling Creative drivers made my operating system unbootable, and their tech support told me to "try again"... those were the days.

Also, I figured out that the issue was Game Mode not being turned on on my X-Fi (it occurred to me that the "Hardware OpenAL" feature in other games is an EAX5 or whatever feature which requires Game Mode). Unfortunately I still do not really hear much in the way of EAX effects, so if they are actually working then they are implemented very differently.

 

[Gerrard]

NoScript is the cover system of internet browsing.

And true internet users only use IE.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Will this mod ever be released for Thief Gold too?

 

[spekkio]

It was released. Tested it yesterday myself.

You can grab new TFix here:

meatspin.com

 

[Gord]

Will this mod ever be released for Thief Gold too?

As I understood it it's possible already.

http://af.gog.com/en/forum/thief_se...ixedimproved_graphics_etc/page1?as=1649904300
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134733