OK.
Ugh, okay. What follows is just my opinion, of course.
1. "Then if this is going to be subtle, why all the fuss about this?"
This makes no sense. There can be no fuss about anything subtle? There can be no fuss about easter eggs? What exactly are you trying to say there?
I didn't explain properly. What I wanted to convey is that if the statue/shrine/whatever is going to be something subtle, why all this excitement is warranted? It's just a nice but ultimately superficial nod to the Codex. It seems that there's a lot of effort (fuss) for something that at the end is not going to make a better game (gameplay wise), and
au contraire, could become detrimental (think all the pop references in FO2). It's just a fucking statue! FFS!
Subtle is not the right word. I wanted to use the same words from your previous post, to give my message, but ultimately failed. I meant to say that something
not so significant like a statue or shrine, doesn't warrant this big effort. Just my opinion.
I can, however, explain why I think there should be fuss about it. Because it's cool. Like, übercool. Feel free to disagree, but what do I care? To me, developers' rooms are one of the best things in older cRPGs, and this is basically the same.
Do you mean a hidden room? While I agree that is cool, is something that when you play, you smile, nod, and continue playing. I'm surprised that someone considers this as
one of the best things in older cRPGs, but to each its own, I guess.
Also, you mean we should only be excited about if it's not subtle? But then, as curry pointed out, that would ruin the game.
You are just clinging with the semantic, I made a mistake. See my first answer. And no, I don't want something... uhm...
unsubtle.
What I want is a separate Codex location (= shrine), not just a troll statue -- Fargo was generous enough to say we would get the shrine even below $10k, so the more money we collect, the likelier the chance he won't back down. I'm okay with just a statue *if* a shrine doesn't work out, but as I said, the more expansive our in-game presence, the better -- at least in my opinion.
But why? Just because it's cool? And what if the shrine doesn't make sense ingame? The bigger this thing is, the more difficult will be to justify it. The 'Dex is not the only one that will get a location, NPC, or statue. Just imagine all the retarded ideas all those that got the 5K an 10K tiers will have. And we will contribute to this? Isn't the Codex supposed to fight
against the decline? Or what idea do you have for the in-game presence?
It's business: the more money, the higher the influence.
To me, this is the one and only time I can recall that the fuss is actually justified!!
I disagree. It's not justified because is something that couldn't benefit the game in the things that are supposed to matter: story, mechanics, choices and consequences, etc. It's just a cosmetic thing. I reiterate my stance, the smaller, the subtler the more seamlessly integrated with the rest of the game is this, the better.
2. "like a screaming teenager, pestering everybody about how they must donate for the cause"
I apologize for the rudeness. But I just find this thing really annoying.
[...] The others may freely ignore me if they disagree, but it's my right to pester whoever I want. This is the Codex FFS, we've been doing nothing but pestering others for 10 years already. If it bothers you that much, just add me to your ignore list; that's what it's for.
OK.
And I've always been behaving like a teenager. Sorry you never noticed before. I *do* firmly believe, however, that everyone who can *should* donate at least something to the cause.
Because it's cool?
3. "And that thread with the ridiculous suggestions it's just facepalm inducing."
Except there are some good suggestions in there. I'm glad there is enthusiasm for things and ideas to be added to the game. I like the bunker idea and a few others too.
Well if something like an optional dungeon or playable small location is in, I would agree. But I don't think that there's enough money for this, nor that the developers would accept.
4. "But it has become --I think-- in the biggest circle jerk on the Codex. "
Which is a good thing. Again, I'm glad there is *this* kind of fuss on the Codex, and not just in the ME3 thread. Finally something actually worthy of a circlejerk. If you want to whine, whine about everyone playing Mass Effect.
Again, is a nice thing just because
you think is cool? That's your justification?
5. "Also... pestering negotiating with Brian Fargo? I thought that most Codexers giving money for the... uhm.. whatever thingie is going to be in the final game, already pledged to the Kickstarter Ponzi scheme fund."
Some did, some didn't. We're trying to make it so that everyone who didn't donate to Kickstarter directly would receive his copy through the Codex. That means the end number isn't set, but we'll sort it out when time comes and tell Fargo the exact number.
Yeah. Contribute to the decline of RPGs. Where are the choices and consequences? That's a though decision for a Codexer: to donate to KS or to the Codex. They should make their choice, and stick with the consequence. What is this next-gen, handholding shit of rewarding both decisions? Not all the perks and loot should be available to both branches. We are just like Bioware.
I'm very excited, and so should you be. So should everyone be! It's Wasteland motherfucking TWO! If you aren't excited, the problem is you.
I'm exited about Wasteland 2! What I find idiotic is this fascination with the statue and shrine. There has been more excitement about this, than to the game itself and the success of the Kickstarter!